It means that the story is more complex. If we cared about foreign influence we would know to which extend there still is American influence. Without asking that question we can’t judge if Orban’s relation to Russia is out of the ordinary.
We also don’t know if our judgement of Russia is rooted in manipulation. America has a motive to split us from Russia.
But in the meantime, it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America.
Fuck off, tankie. You know damn well that this community does not like american influence the same way it does not like russian influence. So take your dumb whataboutism and get out.
I thought it through. I really don’t like authoritative regimes that imprison and torture political opponents, protestors and journalists. I don’t like regimes that oppress minorities and crack down on human and civil rights. I don’t like nations that invade other countries, comit genocide and other warcrimes. And I don’t like it when nations try and meddle with the democratic processes and societal discourse of independent states.
That’s why I like neither Russia nor the USA (and a bunch of other countries like China) and want them to be told to fuck off. Same is true for thise who support their efforts, like you.
That’s why I like neither Russia nor the USA (and a bunch of other countries like China) and want them to be told to fuck off.
How do you want to achieve that? It’s essentially the gas situation. We have cut off Russia and are now forced to buy American gas.
We don’t treat Russia and the US equally, to the advantage of the US.
China has shown how to balance powers. They were supported by the US to keep their distance from Russia. We do the opposite. We fight Russia and are forced to support the US.
Ever heard of that nice thing called “renewables”? You know, electrification powered by electricity gained from solar and wind? Pretty effective stuff to become independent.
Minister Reiche shows that the US have no intention of letting the EU break free from the energy dependency.
For the forseeable future we will be dependent on the US and the US will leverage that dependency to have enough new ones for the time when there is enough renewable power.
China and the US must compete for the goodwill of Europe for Europe to be independent. However, the war with Russia binds us to the US.
What I don’t understand is that people don’t draw a connection between the American support for NGOs in Ukraine, the protests and new government, the Russian reaction and the inevitable political reality for Europe.
The US invested $5 billion in NGOs and Europe buys weapons for hundreds of billions and the EU cannot threaten to switch to China.
I have no idea what tinfoil shit you’re talking about. What do Reiche, China and Ukraine have to do with the fact that neither Russia nor the US are very popular in this community?
But does he make the decisions? Right now, the closing of the strait of Hormus is so counter-intuitive that there must be a bigger consensus or Trump would be impeached.
Still citing the book you haven’t read? Tell us again, what comes before the one sentence you always carefully select?
We also don’t know if our judgement of Russia is rooted in manipulation.
Well, at least my judgement of Russia is rooted in their own actions, atrocities and crimes they do since 4+ years in Ukraine. It is you trying to manipulate to whitewash them from it.
The ultimate objective of American policy should be benign and visionary: to shape a truly cooperative global community, in keeping with long-range trends and with the fundamental interests of humankind. But in the meantime, it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America.
“should be benign and visionary” is cruel cynicism when you remember what happened under his watch and afterwards.
rooted in their own actions, atrocities and crimes they do since 4+ years in Ukraine
Without the NGO investments, the takeover of the intelligence service and the extend of civilian casualities in other wars you see 4 years of Russian war crimes. You miss what is actually happening.
I agree with your judgement. I just think that without looking at the context you miss the big picture and draw the wrong conclusions about how to get or maintain a free Europe.
It means that the story is more complex. If we cared about foreign influence we would know to which extend there still is American influence. Without asking that question we can’t judge if Orban’s relation to Russia is out of the ordinary.
We also don’t know if our judgement of Russia is rooted in manipulation. America has a motive to split us from Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard
Fuck off, tankie. You know damn well that this community does not like american influence the same way it does not like russian influence. So take your dumb whataboutism and get out.
Then think it through. People hate Russia so much that they don’t recognize how they are manipulated. Please, give it a thought.
I thought it through. I really don’t like authoritative regimes that imprison and torture political opponents, protestors and journalists. I don’t like regimes that oppress minorities and crack down on human and civil rights. I don’t like nations that invade other countries, comit genocide and other warcrimes. And I don’t like it when nations try and meddle with the democratic processes and societal discourse of independent states.
That’s why I like neither Russia nor the USA (and a bunch of other countries like China) and want them to be told to fuck off. Same is true for thise who support their efforts, like you.
How do you want to achieve that? It’s essentially the gas situation. We have cut off Russia and are now forced to buy American gas.
We don’t treat Russia and the US equally, to the advantage of the US.
China has shown how to balance powers. They were supported by the US to keep their distance from Russia. We do the opposite. We fight Russia and are forced to support the US.
Ever heard of that nice thing called “renewables”? You know, electrification powered by electricity gained from solar and wind? Pretty effective stuff to become independent.
Minister Reiche shows that the US have no intention of letting the EU break free from the energy dependency.
For the forseeable future we will be dependent on the US and the US will leverage that dependency to have enough new ones for the time when there is enough renewable power.
China and the US must compete for the goodwill of Europe for Europe to be independent. However, the war with Russia binds us to the US.
What I don’t understand is that people don’t draw a connection between the American support for NGOs in Ukraine, the protests and new government, the Russian reaction and the inevitable political reality for Europe.
The US invested $5 billion in NGOs and Europe buys weapons for hundreds of billions and the EU cannot threaten to switch to China.
That looks like a successful plan to me.
I have no idea what tinfoil shit you’re talking about. What do Reiche, China and Ukraine have to do with the fact that neither Russia nor the US are very popular in this community?
They determine if we stay dependent on the US.
I don’t understand what popularity has to do with it.
We have plenty of reason to hate Russia.
And it does not prevent us from hating on other imperialist war machines.
All of them can fuck right off.
Hating the US equally doesn’t help to understand the manipulations. Understanding comes from trying to find their reasons for their actions.
@plyth @Honytawk
Trump has only one reason for all his actions & that is the $$ value in his portfolios.
But does he make the decisions? Right now, the closing of the strait of Hormus is so counter-intuitive that there must be a bigger consensus or Trump would be impeached.
Still citing the book you haven’t read? Tell us again, what comes before the one sentence you always carefully select?
Well, at least my judgement of Russia is rooted in their own actions, atrocities and crimes they do since 4+ years in Ukraine. It is you trying to manipulate to whitewash them from it.
The full quote:
“should be benign and visionary” is cruel cynicism when you remember what happened under his watch and afterwards.
Without the NGO investments, the takeover of the intelligence service and the extend of civilian casualities in other wars you see 4 years of Russian war crimes. You miss what is actually happening.
Are you sure? Let’s check:
Has Russia invaded Ukraine?
Is this a war of aggression?
Is Russia committing war crimes in this war?
Should Russia fully retreat from Ukrainian territory according to the international borders of 1994?
That’s if you only look at Russia and Ukraine. The relations between the US and Europe have changed to the advantage of the US.
Why are you dodging the questions?
I agree with your judgement. I just think that without looking at the context you miss the big picture and draw the wrong conclusions about how to get or maintain a free Europe.
I’d like you to answer the questions please.
I have. How much agreement do you need?