And the problem with doing the right thing for the wrong reason is that next time it’s not going to be the right thing

Nice, that does address the core point. Two problems.

First, the idea that “next time it’s not going to be the right thing” has not been established at all. I mean, clearly it’s possible to do the right thing for the wrong reasons at least once, so it is not at all unimaginable that it could happen twice, three times, or as many times in a row as you’d like.

Secondly, you have given no indication what these “wrong reasons” are, in the case of Spain restricting its air space to impede the illegal assault on Iran. Is it to appease voters who are against this? Because that’s literally just how democracy works.

Except it doesn’t stop the genocide at all

So this is unrelated to the core point, but let’s talk about it anyway. This reduces the avenues America has to send military aid to Israel in the illegal assault on Iran, so it very clearly does do somehing to impede the assault on Iran. And a reduction in military aid to Israel is a step in the direction of ending the genocide, so that’s a nice extra. Although I’m not sure why we’re talking about the genocide. Even though it’s related, clearly a restricted air space to impede the illegal assault on Iran is more directly related to the assault on Iran than it is to the genocide.

“I have black friends” level copium

Don’t be a dick.

Ah, so you didn’t miss the core point. So could you maybe try to address it?

That’s manifestly incorrect. A pew poll conducted in march/april 2024 found that 39% of israelis believe the actions of the IDF in Gaza were “about right”, and 34% think those actions have “not gone far enough”. I’m no mathematician, but 73% is not quite a minority afaik.

In addition, in a nation that is at least a democracy for the superior race, I think it’s fair to lay at least some of the blame on the electorate for the governments they elect. And for 77 years, every single government they have elected have committed atrocity after atrocity against the Palestinian people. I find it highly unlikely that for three quarters of a century, in a partial democracy, some minority has always won, every single time, despite the good intentions of the majority. It’s just a completely incredible narrative.

I’m sure they had conflicts, they’re human. But the colonizers had a greater impact than internal conflict ever could have. Again, 49.5 million out of 50. And your comment still reeks of this idea that the colonizers coming in was somehow a neutral or ok thing. It wasn’t. It’s one of the greatest atrocities committed in the history of mankind.

I think you underestimate the magnitude of the genocide of the natives. It completely dwarfs the holocaust. Some researchers found it had a noticable effect on the temperature of the planet. About 49.5 million were killed.

Also your comment reeks of “they’re savages!”

Oh, Pissraelis are affected emotionally alright. They celebrate these atrocities.

And people do feed homeless people nefariously, it’s a real problem for real people. Mixing in moulded food. Filling sandwiches with toothpaste.

You misunderstand the premise. Spain isn’t mixing toothpaste in proverbial sandwiches here. They closed their air space for air traffic intended for the illegal assault on Iran. That’s a good thing. It’s a tuna melt sandwich, no tooth paste, in the hands of the homeless.

for the wrong reason.

I don’t see why this matters to you at all. If someone feeds the homeless nefariously, then let them. The homeless are getting fed. If someone stops the holocaust because it allows them to cement their hegemony, or because they got paid for it, whatever! If it stops the holocaust, I’m happy.

Framework is a company. But yes, supporting an open fascist is a bad thing (I cannot believe this needs saying), even if s company does it, which is why people are so upset about it.

I feel like you’ve come around to the point that DHH is a fascist. That’s good to see at least.

Could you please explain why you’re so desperately defending a white nationalist? And to reiterate my point, in bold, in the hopes that you might read it if you support fascists, you are a fascist, even though you aren’t doing fascism. Someone who votes for Hitler, even though they aren’t doing fascism, is a fascist.

You probably don’t mean to, but you’re sounding like a bit of an ignorant asshole. Were you like hangry or sth when you wrote this?

No, please read my full comment. He is very likely to be a fascist because he supports fascists. And you can find the source of his support of Robinson in my earlier comment.

I learned sth new! Pretty funny indeed

Bootlicker

What international norm says you can’t charge people for using your territory?

Call me ignorant, but what distinguishes it from pre-9/11 foreign policy?

You need to straighten out your definition of fascist. Hitler is a fascist. Take your favorite definition of fascist, like Ecco’s or whatever, and Hitler will satisfy it. He does fascism. His policies are militaristic, nationalistic, he enacts laws to suppress minorities, etc. Someone who votes for Hitler does none of those things, but they’re still a fascist by any sensible meaning of the word.

Today, there are fascists operating in our democratic systems. From the British National Party to Trump. Not all of them are actively overthrowing the systems they exist in. One such fascist is Tommy Robinson. DHH has expressed explicit support for Robinson and his white nationalist rallies.

You do not know DHH’s politics. You don’t know who he voted for. Nor do I. But we can make an educated guess based on his open white nationalism and his explicit support for fascists. If someone basically tells you “hi, I’m a fascist”, you believe them.

Also, I don’t know who you think you’re helping by playing these semantic games (based on shoddy definitions btw).

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