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am i old? i simply can’t imagine handing control of my money over to AI because i can’t be assed to order shit online all by myself–which takes less time than writing a prompt
Can’t imagine handing control of anything over to an LLM.
Nah, you are wrong. Since LLMs are for entertainment, making it control an NPC is totally fine, since hallucinations will only make this NPC funnier.
That’s in an imaginary world. Not really what I was getting at.
Yeah, I know. But LLMs are an imaginary artificial intelligence, so my point is also can be considered valid.
How are you imagining that go down? Like a game with text based control? I don’t understand.
It can be any game that has dialogs. Not necessarily only text one. I will say even more: people are already making games like this. LLMs are actually very good to give some life for NPC, since their dialogs will be different from time to time and actually dependent on what gamer typed into their text field during dialog.
Ah, yes, for dialogue, that makes a lot of sense. I thought you meant physical movement, like using LLM tech to replace traditional NPC AI.
It would be cool if it could be used for custom character names. It really bugs me when the main characters first name is never used in dialogue, because you created it. Especially in the recent Hogwarts game. Maybe the creator could generate the spoken name from what you enter, and let you fine tune pronunciation somehow.
Mixing generative AI with voice acting sounds to me more immersion-breaking than using ways to avoid naming you directly.
I don’t know, maybe. But avoiding first names sucks. Humans use first names. And the idea I proposed would use the AI initially, but then be fine tuned by hand to sound right, and then saved. It wouldn’t use the AI in real time. If that could be made to work, I see absolutely no problem, but it’s just an idea.
Using LLM for NPC movement is a very bad idea. Normally, people use special neural networks that are trained to decide which action NPC should do next. They are much smaller and don’t work with pure text, but rather with strictly categorized values like position of NPC, it’s stats, surrounding objects, world values(like weather) and etc.
Uh, as far as I know, the concept doesn’t even make sense, which was my point. LLMs have absolutely nothing to do with that type of system, no? It’s a bad idea because it’s impossible, and also I think not what you meant?
Yes, you are talking about reinforcement learning, which strictly speaking is not a type of neural network.
The cynic in me says they’ll start making the normal online ordering process much harder and worse to try to force ai shopping usage
Retailers will eliminate search, product sort and filters, etc.
They will dumb it down to happy value meal, the generous ones may allow ala carte ordering, a nod to legacy web purchasing. Imagine allowing consumers to choose their own products?!? How dated and unprofitable.
With most people nearly illiterate, as designed, they won’t complain.
it will likely “hallucinates suggestions”, thats not even the same category of the item you want.
If you’re dumb enough to trust the AI agent at all, but especially one that is provided, owned, and operated by the capitalist company that you’re shopping at and you expect it to act in your best interest, that’s a special kind of stupid.
Yes, if you, or any other relatively young or middle aged Lemmy user got got by trusting Target’s AI shopper, I’d laugh.
But that’s not a representative sample. This will be used to exploit the poor, uneducated, and elderly.
I think our best bet is that someone creates a script that burns through Target’s tokens and that drives the costs up to unsustainable levels.
Maybe that’s a pipe dream, I just know that our lawmakers will do nothing to help, so that’s what we’re left with.
Be that as it may, I wish there were a law on the books holding the AI agent and its operators accountable. Sounds like a massive fucking retail scam to me, and we don’t blame the victim when it’s a human con artist stealing their money, so it makes no sense to me to blame the victim when it happens digitally.
In Canada, a court ruled that Air Canada was liable for its AI chatbot. Air Canada’s lawyer(s) attempted to argue that the chat bot was a separate entity responsible for itself, an astonished judge said, “lol no” (not an exact quote). https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/air-canada-chatbot-lawsuit-1.7116416
But that’s Canada, and Target is not here (anymore), so…
Not relevant to the company at hand, but there is some precedence somewhere.Canadian law is also why there’s no Fox News in Canada.
Good, Faux News is just a pile of maga dogshit
Nope! That violates the deeply rooted basis of law for the sale of goods. Such sales are subject to individual states’ laws, but most follow Article 2 of the Uniform Commercial Code. There is inherently no meeting of the minds (the very foundation on all contract law dating back before America was even discovered by Europeans) if AI is engaging in anything commercial in nature, much more so if they’re mistakes.
You cannot pull a bait and switch on non-conforming/mistaken goods without letting the other party choose to accept or reject the goods. This is more so if that choice is made before the mistake is discovered and the price changed. Here, the supplier has engaged in the risk of loss by utilizing an untested replacement for workers.
Also, how is the recieving party supposed to know they’re not tendering an alternative replacement of non-conforming goods?
Laws you say? I guess we’ll see you in court. Unless you can’t afford that. Then you can get fucked.
Yep. Class action lawsuit. Get fucked out of hundreds or thousands of dollars; receive $12 and a coupon book in compensation.
They are likely bribing … erm … I mean “lobbying” politicians right now to get a legal loophole around this.
There were laws about IPs and copyright, the kind that would prevent any corp from parsing basically the whole internet and use it without any restriction or consideration for the content creators. Do you remember what happened to those?
Why would I need AI to shop at Target for me in the first place?
Why would I need
AIto shop at Targetfor mein the first place?FTFY
Fuck Target.
Because my only other options are Walmart and Amazon…
My condolences.
AI demands real world applications. Even things it is awful at.
This bubble can’t burst soon enough.
i assume its online store. they jacked up the price of thier own instore brand, and eliminated some items from the store.
Oh look, even more reasons to avoid target AND AI.
I guess that also means if I successfully gaslight the AI into giving me a 120% discount, Target has to pay for it.
i hope they start to sell $1000 pictures of products… like… it says in the top of the description its a picture, people read that but AI might skip that entirely, it will demotivate scalpers. i remember this being a serious problem for scapers in ebay, maybe we should start doing these practices in more places.
That idea will certainly work well with all these “stores” accepting 3rd party vendors on their online sites!
Thus reads like a need for regulation.
Thanks Trump for preventing such regulation.
You can bet that any regulation would be against the consumers and in favour of corporations and billionaires.
Fuck Target, too. Such a garbage company.
Target and Walmart also say that if you don’t scan something when you go through self checkout, you can be charged with shoplifting.
In other words, the companies have none of the responsibility and people have all of the liability.
Who the fuck is so stupid and lets an AI do the shopping?
Have you seen who is USA president?
What has Benjamin Netanyahu to do with AI?
I have met many people who are at least that stupid. Gullible people with limited ability to imagine future consequences.
They’ll learn.
If that were true, we wouldn’t be where we are today.
They’ll learn when future consequences become current consequences.
🤣
hope is all we have
It’s not really hopeful. They’re gonna learn the hard way.
They won’t
You think they’ll just smile and nod when Target steals their money?
I think Target stores will have to start hiring armed security.
How is an AI agent any different than any other software just because it does inference with a LLM? If I order something from their website and I get overcharged due to a bug, are they also not responsible? It’s not like agents can’t be tested or like guardrails can’t be put into place.
I know as a software engineer, I’m responsible for the code in any PR that has my name on it, regardless of what tools I may have used to generate the code, including AI. Are their dev teams not responsible for making sure their shit works?
Because most other software the dev understands what he build, or can debug if something is off. LLM are just black boxes the devs have no clue why sometimes the answers are very incorrect.
Sure, but AI engineers are well aware of that fact (or should be) and there are ways to limit the potential damage, like human in the middle, especially for purchases over a certain threshold. Overall, a system like this like this should never really be trusted to make purchases without the customer approving each purchase.
Then again, if you’re going to approve every purchase, I’m not sure how it really saves time. If it is purchasing without approval, the first time it buys something you didn’t want and you have to battle Target to get it refunded will negate any time savings. Largely seems like AI for the sake of AI.
Not if they make all their customer support AI as well and make it impossible to talk to a human!
Fuck you target…do you really need to give potential customers more reasons to avoid your shit store?
promptly notifying the Agentic Commerce Agent and Target of any activity
Which will involve trying to persuade another ai agent that it isn’t use error and that you really need to speak to someone.
Hmm, is this why I’m seeing shit liked old used phones for $30k on eBay?
There’s always been the occasional listing with a price several orders of magnitude disconnected from reality. Have never understood it, seems too blatant to be fraud. Now, whether there’s more of them now, I don’t know.
Money laundering. Sometimes people just need a legal place to disappear a lot of money, and those way-too-high listings by third party sellers are part of the system that they either create for themselves or pay someone else to do for them. As long as they (or their launderer) control the listing, they get the money back at the end, and meanwhile if anyone else is stupid enough to buy their way overpriced item, they just buy them one, ship it, and pocket the difference.
I always thought it was people that couldn’t fulfill the ad but didn’t want to take it down either, so they set the absurd price to effectively “pause” the ad. Pure speculation on my part tho.
rich old people who care more about familiar than price
