Lmao, yup, exactly that’s the point. We all know you have a reaper drown in your garage.

That you seriously did not consider what the work I had referred to was before literally cringing at the thought of participating in mutual aid to any degree is honestly too perfect of a response.

You seriously do not even fucking know what you think dude, maybe you shouldnt just wallow and at the very least try to learn how to exercise whatever power you do have to everyone else’s benefit.

Hey, almost like the point of all this shit is to batter libs into complacency when the system does excactly what it has always and will always do but now they’re not as benefited by it in the same way they used to be.

Literally, it would only take one person to stop him, or people near him, or destroy any property of companies that support him with the explicit objective to punish that support. It also has been happening, more than they’d ever admit, but because the system is not overturned the day after middle class libs sour on it, they turn to doomerism because that is the preferable option to accepting the work.

I think you’re underestimating how much of a problem liberal states are in their use of soft power. I don’t doubt that most Linux users and devs would resist, I’m saying that it would definitely be a threat for liberal states to dedicate resources to influencing norms and access. They don’t need to “win” as in complete and utter domination of every aspect of development for Linux to have a massive and negative effect. Think about how much more labour the US state has at is disposal than the entirety of the Linux community; how much more resources it has that could be dedicated to the privileging of projects that do comply.

Yes, how to resist is certainly important to consider, but there’s no way to design that resistance if you ignore the tools at their disposal. Look at how big Zorin got from just a timely marketing campaign or the fact that corporate- and enterprise-oriented revenue models are already deeply influential on the landscape even without state promotion.

Finally.

I hope the joke is that Netflix is just shit quality and therefore has no special episodes. Otherwise, you just seem like a privileged asshole who discounts the ongoing, generational resistance against US imperialism within the metropole.

A nice side of racism with your Euro smugness.

Oh, no it wouldnt be like “we’re mandating this through legislation,” because that is typically really hard to defend. They’re more likely to simply provide subsidies or some sort of financial benefit to larger, more compliant entities.

This is a very importrant thing to keep in mind. Liberalism is exceptional at appropriation and assimilation, and there is already a tremendous amount of corporate influence on the trajectory of Linux development. Since the open source nature of Linux is fairly robust, this would mean that control would look a lot like accessibility and feature competition (think how Android has effectively muscled out alternative ‘open source’ mobile OS’s and functions as one of the most expansive data collection systems in the world). It likely would not be as immediate as this suggests, for exactly the same reason Linux is so preferable to proprietary operating systems, but examples like Zorin’s successful marketing campaign and paid services do point to a trajectory of corporatization separate from what exists in Redhat and Ubuntu.

As liberal states seek more power over information and computing, they will direct regulations into favourable conditions for capitalization, as they always do, and will reward corporations that comply. The big threat is the amount of resources that private capital wields with state support and how this may pressure independent developers to comply as well.

Huh, maybe Baudrillard was right.

You can tell lemmy is mostly white cishet men by comments like this. Gee, I wonder if there would be a difference between making fun of him for being a hotdog eater and him crossdressing as a woman. Is there, perchance, some other factors in our social and cultural context that would make one of these things more relevant to discussions on harmful values? Think about someone other than yourself and how they are effected by the normalization of jokes that targets a man for being a disgusting crossdresser and how that is a validation of your own perception of him as a morally depraved, social pariah. You think that maybe you uh, have some internalized values you aren’t challenging there bud?

That you think you are just making fun of him “for being a hypocrite” is itself an indicator of how fucking vulnerable liberals are to fascist ideology. When I joke about liberals throwing me in a camp, the joke is not that it would be absurd for liberals to have camps, but rather how absurd it is to see how obviously incapable you all are of even grappling with what is wrong with fascists even though you purportedly hate them.

I think it is unironically very funny to assert something is real just because it’s normalized in medicine. As we all know, medsci is historically very conscious of social and material conditions and is not subject to the distortions of the classes of people who have access to that authority, and no new research is relevant ever. I guess that means black women really do feel less pain, trans people only started existing forty years ago, and skulls can actually teach us about racial intelligence (people were arguing for phrenology until the late twentieth century). That you’re arguing this during a period where eating disorders are very visible in popular culture is also just too perfect. Could you then, cite any articles or studies you’ve engaged with to build your oh-so-well-informed-and-underthought worldview? I have just a few off the top of my list:

The Obesity Myth: Why America’s Obsession with Weight Is Hazardous to your Health, Campos, 2004.

Yamawaki, Niwako, Christina Riley, Claudia Rasmussen, and Mary Cook, “The Effects of Obesity Myths on Perceptions of Sexual Assault Victims and Perpetrators’ Credibility,” Journal of Interpersonal Violence 33 (4): 662-85, 2018.

Ramos, Salas, X, M Forhan, and A. M Sharma, “Diffusing Obesity Myths,” Clinical Obesity, 4(3), 2014.

Pollack, Catherine C, “Characterizing the Prevalence of Obesity Misinformation, Factual Content, Stigma, and Positivity on the Social Media Platform Reddit Between 2011 and 2019: Infodemiology Study,” Journal of Medical Internet Research, 24 (12), 2022.

Lindeman, Tracey, Bleed: Destroying Myths and Misogyny in Endometriosis Care, 2024.

https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/a23-refcomm-d-annotated.pdf (2023 American Medical Association House of Delegates statement against the use of BMI).

There’s some social and medical criticisms of the concept of obesity as well as how it is measured and medicalized.

This is all of course besides the fact that, regardless of whether obesity is understood properly, its presence in this original joke is in fact still fascist and still functions to normalize the fundamental values of fatphobia as they intersect with transphobia, racism, misogyny, and ableism. “I think you’re over thinking this,” is a staple phrase of fascism. Maybe you should fucking think a bit.

Yes, I know better than you, get the fuck over it. You can’t even grasp how these forms of oppression are intersectional and you have the vibes of a socialist boyfriend who doesn’t do the dishes. I’m sure you’re very satisfied identifying every problem you have with the system from your limited perspective, knowledge, and empathy.

Won’t be responding to anything else other than your reading list on anti-fascist scholarship or writing related to these topics.

Oh look, another Lemmy “leftist,” who thinks systemic oppression is just when people are mean about how you look. We all know you’re a lib dude, nobody else is so self-righteous about aggrieved entitlement to bigotry. You want to feel like a good person without actually understanding what that means and putting the work into changing.

If you can’t tell the difference between anti-fascism and pacifism, you better stay the fuck on your couch, we don’t want you out here. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t have a story about some smug fuck lib man showing up to events and saying some edgelord power-fantasy shit before saying some bigoted shit. You aren’t a fucking socialist if you subscribe to liberal constructions of human value, you dense chud.

Yes, and I saw an opportunity to explain further, as you seemed to think it was the meaness that was the problem.

Okay chud. Let’s see your audience’s reaction:

(See how you can make fun of them without making fun of vulnerable groups? its so easy when you aren’t a bigot)

The fact that you think this is about being bad meanies and kinkshaming and not like, misogyny and transphobia while both women and trans people are losing their legal protections in the US is telling. You think this is about making them look “goofy?” Have you maybe considered you’re not in the position to intuitively understand how problematic the specific conditions of this “goofyness” is? I say intuitively as it is already obvious you haven’t read a fucking thing about any of these topics, let alone how fascists and liberals launder their values on these topics. Think for one fucking second why it would be bad to see these Nazis as engaging in “silly dressup games” specifically in reference to crossdressing as a woman.

I do not give a shit about being mean to fascists, they deserve to suffer, I care about preventing liberals and fascists from reproducing their values and directing violence at vulnerable groups. If you’re still at the point where the debate is “be mean or don’t be mean,” you should step back and stop approaching these kinds of discussions as though you’re an authority. You wanna be mean to these people? Howbout you make fun of them for being fascists or at the very least don’t make fun of some other group to do it.

Before you respond, ask yourself if you are the kind of person who should get a say on whether this is harmful.

This one is way more zealous than the other one, refer to the other comment for an explanation of the connection.

It isn’t that it’s mean, you dummy, it’s that the underlying values of this joke are in fact fascist in their orientation and, because people like you exist, it is an effective way to promote those values. If you need an example, think of the jokes about these people that reference inbreeding with the presumption that it is correlated with poor intellectual and cognitive ability, and therefore validates the idea that these moral qualities are related to genetic qualities (there is also a classist element in this joke given where they are oriented in the US geographically). Even if there is science to suggest that this is potentially a real consequence of inbreeding, I hope I don’t have to explain even more clearly to you why it is problematic to naturalize the correlation between genetics and the danger one group poses to society at large.

You’ve tried to lecture me on language, but you don’t seem to know what any of these words mean, which is why you are so vulnerable to the manipulation that they promote. You think every fascist is just what, dumber than you? You don’t think that maybe there’s a way to “trick” you into subscribing to the same values they do, especially if you already subscribe to liberalism wholeheartedly as what appears to be the case here? You don’t get to choose the consequences of your actions, you can only inform yourself so that you can make better decisions in the future. If the effect of this joke is that it reproduces the idea that there are physical markers for moral depravity, then you either have to admit that you want it to have that function or change the way you understand these terms and the context they exist in. Some fascists choose to be fascists, most of them just don’t think about it.

I do find it concerning just how many people talk about things like this without ever challenging their fundamental understanding of social norms. A lot of you do just assume you’re smarter than me, which is funny, and I wonder if you’ve ever actually read anything on fatphobia and the arguments for its recognition.

Bigotry is difficult for liberals to understand because they typically want to recognize it as individualized actions of aggression like calling someone a slur or being mean about someone’s weight. Have you considered for a moment that you are vulnerable to the laundering of values that promote dehumanization and genocide through vectors of “bigotry” which you don’t take seriously, such as fatness? You used the word “curable,” which is very convenient for me as it is a good demonstration of how this topic is medicalized (we can ignore the well-documented discrimination against fat people in medical settings for now), and specifically how it is pathologized. When something is pathologized, that means that whatever is seen as wrong with it is always relative to an idealized, “positive” thing; a fat body is bad (unhealthy) because it is not good like a thin body (healthy). Regardless of the medical science behind this construction (of which I’m sure you also have not read as it is well established by this point that fatness is not necessarily unhealthy relative to other factors), this has manifested socially as a vector of discrimination exactly because of the perception that this is an illness that is cured by willpower. Conveniently in an neoliberal culture, an illness that materializes laziness, poor self-control, and general moral degeneracy reinforces an individualism where individual people are responsible for the effects of their material conditions; i.e. you can choose to be fat the same way you can choose to be poor.

Because fatness is not a recognized vector for discrimination in the same way that racism and sexism is, it is an important site of scholarly discourses exactly because of how effective it is at laundering ableism and classism; along with the fact that it is a measurably oppressed and vulnerable group based on the research I allude to above. Liberals like you don’t question any of this, and then readily engage in the fascist rhetoric I am criticizing in this comment with the assumption that you are doing the righteous thing by promoting bodily health and dissuading any claim that a person’s fatness is not related to their moral quality of character. It is not about, “body-positivity” any more than anti-racism and anti-queerphobia is even though those forms of oppression similarly relate to the subordination of particular bodily attributes to others. That oppressive ideal of thinness is inextricably linked to ideas of whiteness, and “fitness” in a very fascist understanding of the natural world and human evolution.

Hope that explains some of it to you.

Here’s the thing, it doesn’t matter what is cathartic for you if your response to fascists functions to further their goals. The fundamental joke of this post is that this man is foolish for pretending to be a woman. Whether or not he is “stupid” for being a bigot with a crossdressing kink (as many bigots do), the common value both in his fetishization of feminisation and jokes such as this is that it is demeaning to present feminine in a male body.

Liberals are far too self-satisfied with identifying “hypocrisy” in this man’s actions to interrogate their own misogyny and transphobia when they respond to it. They think their internally held values somehow reduces the consequences of their actions, so contributing to the genocide of trans people through the reinforcement of these values is misrecognized as justified because they are, “making fun of the bad guys;” much to the benefit of fascists.

Oh awesome, could you explain how making fun of fat people constitutes psychological warfare against Nazis? It’s not like a gun, because a gun is a fucking inanimate object, and society and culture are not.

When you say that fatness is something that is akin to the same level of moral depravity as subscribing to genocidal politics, you are reproducing fascist constructions of the ideal human body and the relationship between physical deformity and social degradation. Liberals have used ageism, ableism, queerohobia and transphobia, racism, and yes, fatphobia to make fun of Nazis because most of them have no idea what is wrong about fascism besides the distastefulness of their tactics. It’s not about the language being “offensive,” it’s about anti-fascism.

You wanna be a fascist or not?