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“If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen.” – Alan Watts
I’d like to share this inspirational quote by Basquiat who OD’d aged 27:
“They tell me that the drugs are killing me, then I stop, and then they say my art’s dead.”I stopped taking drugs and let me tell you, this world is still awful
I have found that cycling is the next best thing
Life can be very enjoyable and drugs can be part of that joy but we’re not just hedonistic pigs chasing the next high, right? Balance, erring on the side of caution and self-control, is better but if not it’s better to just cut it all off. And some things you should never try, of course.
If I recall correctly, the guy who created the Twelve Step recovery program was inspired to do it (I think to him it was actually a religious experience) from an LSD trip, which ended up helping him quit drinking.
So, this is technically what happened to him: Drugs told him to stop taking drugs.
He kept taking LSD after he was “sober”. To be fair, Bill W was an alcoholic and was treating his alcoholism through abstinence, community and helping others. I don’t think he had a problem with drugs, at least I don’t think LSD was ever a big problem for him.
Psychedelics are just kind of like that sometimes
Mushrooms can tell you if they want to, very firmly, that it’s time to hang up the phone
do more drugs.
Salvias the only one I’ve yet to cross off my bucket list
As others have said, don’t waste your time on it. Ultimately an unfun drug.
I loved mushrooms and acid, salvia was terrible. It’s super short and super intense. You may think “well it’s just 5 minutes” but it will not feel like 5 min. If you’re looking to expand your mind, mushrooms and acid are great. If you want to slice your brain in half and put the two halves in two separate dimensions with no personal introspection to speak of, try salvia.
That just sounds like DMT tbh, If I can handle that I think I can handle salvia lol
I love DMT. I have yet to try salvia. I’m still partially grounded with DMT but it’s like a full meditation experience. I have thoughts during and after. I hear salvia is so different.
Just consume a sensible dose, and you will likely have a DMT-esque psychedelic experience. Most salvia stories you hear are from people who just bought an insanely concentrated blend, packed their bong full, and then took an enormous rip as if it was just weed, paying no mind to the fact that they are consuming 10x as much of the active ingredient as necessary for a proper dose, leading to them getting unzipped and becoming the letter B for ten minutes that feels like hours.
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It’s terrible, truly awful. Don’t don’t don’t try it
Ime, it was a difficult and scary trip to say the least, mostly because while you’re ‘in there’ you lose even a sense of being a human that just got high.
But I’ve had a few really blissful experiences with it too that left me happy and clear headed for 2 weeks after the hit. To give this a chance, I found that going in nature, sitting in meditation at least for half an hour before the hit and going into it in a really calm state of mind helped a lot. It’s quite unforgiving substance and demands proper attitude.
What still interests me is to try chewing fresh leaves as indigenous people in Mexico do it originally.
It’s still legal in some places I believe. It’s fucking wild too so have someone on standby to keep you grounded. Literally.
My doctor tells me to take drugs.
But they’re boring drugs for hypertension.
I literally had mushrooms make me stop taking drugs. Absolutely destroyed my ego that night and I never touched anything again. Well I tried to smoke weed a couple of times after that but it just gave me severe panic attacks. Even the thought of taking mushrooms again gives me chills. I had taken them hundreds of times and I guess they just finally said, “you’re finished. You’ve completed drugs.” I am still an advocate for psychedelics though, they have so much to offer.
I attribute mushrooms to finally breaking my years long journey as a fairly committed alcoholic.
The decisions or realizations people can have during an intense trip tend to be really sticky for a very long time regardless if it’s a good trip or a bad one. It’s the nature of the beast.
But mushrooms be like you described sometimes. I won’t go near the dosages I was taking when I was kicking booze. 1-2 grams every once in a while is just fine for me.
After my last power trip (+5 grams) I saw what I needed to see and probably will never go in that range again. It was a life changing trip and thankfully not a bad one. However, when the mushrooms speak to you like that, you listen. They told me I was done and I was ready to heal on my own.
I know it’s hard to describe such things but what is ego death like? Is it smashing free will illusion or something?
For me it was more like actual death. I quite literally thought I was dying and begged my wife to call 911. Fortunately she is experienced and did her best to keep me contained.
Started with time becoming very mixed up or out of order. She was answering questions I hadn’t asked yet and I was perceiving reality as a single experience rather than a normal flow of action/reaction like everything was happening all at once.
Like you said, there are not words for this, language is far too simple to convey the idea but it humbled me to the point of non-existence.
I knew for a fact that life was not a series of events, it was all the same event happening in a singular moment totally separated from any idea of time as we normally perceive it. At that point it no longer mattered if I was dying/dead/alive… I was all of those things. Always have been.
Eventually I could no longer speak or even walk. Speaking, walking, thinking, all of that implied a forward flow of time which no longer was the case for me. My wife said I just laid on the ground eyes wide and filled with tears. She said she tried to talk to me and keep me calm but I never responded at all. She even put her Fitbit on me just to be sure my vitals were good, which of course they were.
What started as terrifying simply became so intense I couldn’t even fear anything any longer. I just…was but also wasn’t.
That lasted for about 30 minutes per my wife’s judgement. It was infinite for me at the time. Even after the peak it took several hours before I could speak correctly or form content thoughts.
Next day I knew for certain I was done with all drugs. I didn’t need them anymore. Never did really.
I wish I could tell you what is was like but all I can really do is explain certain simple ideas such as what I said above. We are the universe experiencing itself subjectively and the idea that I or anyone is actually important is exceedingly ridiculous.
the idea that I or anyone is actually important is exceedingly ridiculous.
I have come to the same conclusion. If you don’t take yourself seriously, you’ll live a happy life.
Out of order time is really disorienting
LPT, keep a stopwatch going for psychedelics. I’ll start a timer on my phone when I drop and it helps snap me out of any kind of time related disorientation as I peak. For your average time dilation stuff, it’s awesome. If I can’t see my phone, then time probably is the last thing on my mind.
Thanks. That’s about what I expected you to say. I don’t really do psychedelics too much but if I get really high on weed I experience something similar to shattering illusion of physical mass (everything is just points in space) and time (determinism, etc.) I often times see time as one thing because in determinism the future is knowable and thus everything there has already happened.
Nothing close to what you experienced.
I believe people should try drugs, because IMO, it’s part of a full human experience, and it can really help you to understand how subjective our experiences are, but of course if people don’t want to, that’s totally understandable.
Keep taking drugs
I can’t remember if anyone ever told me to stop taking drugs, probably because I was so high on drugs
We talkin Lady Salvia or machine elves?
(This is a song about not taking drugs, but it’s framed as a drug bragging about being really bad).
