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  • You’re doing fallacy fallacy. Some slopes are actually slippery, it’s just the nature of the slopes.
    Government ID connected to all your accounts on the internet isn’t much different from other things you mentioned, the only difference is that the other bits of privacy we actually exchanged for convenience. With everything you mentioned and more, you can either opt-out, you don’t actually need your car to be “smart” or have a car at all, or it wasn’t invented as a control mechanism, like credit cards or smartphones. Using it to do nefarious shit requires effort and additional work, and there are at least some protections in place. But yes, it’s another form of control, just way more sudden, invasive, and useless.
    If we’re doing fallacies, yours called “nirvana fallacy”. “We can’t have an ideal world, therefore we need not to fight when people are trying to make it worse”.
    Connecting everything you do on the internet to your id serves the only purpose, prevent people from being able to do speech that the government doesn’t like. While we have a democratic government, it might not lead to problems. The second we have all this shit in mind, the government might start asking itself, why do they bother with all this democracy when they have all this authoritarian instruments lying around for no reason.


  • You’d be surprised how easy it is to ban specific protocols or apps, if you put your mind to it. DPI is dead easy this days. Again, Russian example is right there, the only thing that managed to resist the block so far was Telegram, because they’re doing some very advanced block avoidance. Russia is poor, and losing brains very quickly, a country with better equipment and people will not have this problem.
    Yeah, it’s resource intensive, but that’s ISP’s job, and they have equipment and motivation already. Small ISPs if they still exist will die, but that’s just added bonus. And you don’t even need the complete blockage, you need to make it annoying enough to use so it’s not very popular, so most of the communication will happen on platforms that are under control. You can’t fight all the nerds, and you don’t need to.
    It’s not a leap, it’s the only next logical step. A government doesn’t start carding everyone on the internet because they’re bored. They do it because they don’t want uncontrolled communication for some reason or another. “For the children”, of course, why else. That’s why everyone needs to have an ID app on their phone, and all the websites should be tied to it. It’s for the children.






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    4 days ago

    Not mutilating kids’ genitals is significant enough topic that requires talking about it. You putting it that low on your priority list actually says about you more than you care to admit, and the commenter doth protest too much to show how don’t care you are about it.
    Not being as bad as some other shit doesn’t make this issue non-existent.



  • No, they will expand the mandates for providers to filter traffic. Everything ultimately goes through a handful of big ISP companies, so they will just make them comply with the filtration. It will not work great, even simple DPI is resource intensive, but when an ISP is ultimately at fault, they will have to find a way. And ultimately it doesn’t have to work all the time forever, it just need to degrade services enough so most people find it inconvenient to use. As a tool of control, it needs to prevent unwanted communication to be easy, this will ensure only the nerds will do it, and nobody cares about handful of nerds.
    They don’t have to invent anything, that’s exactly how it works already in every country that controls their population and the internet in their country. It took Russia 8 years to transition from completely free unobstructed internet to everything being unavailable and everyone being used to it. Europe is way more capable technically, it will take most of the countries less.




  • That’s the stupid part, it doesn’t matter what it will look like at the beginning. It might be the best written documentation now, they can even implement the app correctly. The thing is, the jump from “people can use the internet” to “in order to access the internet you need to provide your government ID to your smartphone” is a big jump, one that can cost a politician career. The jump from “you need to use version 1.4.412 of the govenment id checker” to “you need to use version 2.0 of the Government Id Checker Plus” is minuscule. That’s where you introduce a persistent database of the tokens, somewhere on page 5 of the changelog. And only nerds care about that and nobody listens to them.
    It’s so fucking easy, Russia did this exact gambit in 2017, Kazakhstan couple of years before.


  • No, that’s an app on your phone. That accumulates a ton of data in a way that didn’t exist before. The government knows I exist. Now it knows every website I’m visiting, and my identity on those sites. Now the new politician in my country decides to be a little bit more corrupt, and asks the app maintainer “hey, can you gather IDs and home addresses of all the people who criticized genocide online last couple of years, I would like to execute them publicly”, and they can do it with basically one sql equerry. The only defense against that will be “but that’s illegal, there are laws against that!”, which is shit defense nowadays.


  • however “bigoted” seems to mean a wide variety of different things now

    No, no it’s not, there is a very clear definition of that. However, bigots like to muddy that in order to make their bigotry more social acceptable, but it’s important to not fall for that. It has the same “the left just calling everyone nazi this days therefore nobody is a nazi” ring to it, that nazis used to normalise nazism.




  • Victor Orban is also very much not Polish, but what does it matter, right?
    Anyway, sure, you’re technically correct, the most insane Polish Catholic is insane. Serves me right for trying to insert some literary flér of hyperbole in this serious scientific conversation.
    We were talking about popluational trends and statistics though, in which case I will explicitly say that I’m talking about “median” population, not literaly the extreme 0.1%




  • All what you’re saying and more are big problems by European standards. And yet, the most insane Polish catholic will be seen as moderate woke by the most enlightened American public. Polland’s remarkably high religious observance is actually 30% of Catholics attended a mass at least once a year, according to 2024 numbers that I could find. Which actually down from 50% over last three decades with continuing downwards trend.
    So yeah, if you look for very specific things like Pentecostsls in Romania, you can find some anomalies that you can then spin as a catastrophe, but the fact that you needed to do this anomaly hunt in the first place says enough.