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00:00And did Sean King, and is it on here?
00:02Did Sean King say something, Grandy, earlier today?
00:05Like, Steine kept being like, Sean King was like,
00:09shut up, Niner fans, you have a great coach.
00:12I don't know if that was the exact quote,
00:13but something along those lines.
00:16And he's absolutely right.
00:18And some of us have been trying to say this for years,
00:21and I really do.
00:23It's an echo chamber thing.
00:24I think most Niner fans, they do like Kyle Shanahan.
00:27You like having Kyle Shanahan as your coach.
00:31I also think, though, a lot of Niner fans get super annoyed by him.
00:34Whether it is the play calling, I didn't like that.
00:38Whether it's a supposed arrogance at the podium or whatever.
00:42All right, if I gave you these four choices, how would you answer it?
00:45Because Salisbury was talking about the start to this season,
00:49and the Niners are 4-1.
00:50And yes, it's been razor thin.
00:52So let me ask you, why are the Niners 4-1?
00:56Why are the Niners 4-1?
00:59And in fact, if you want multiple choice, I'm that kind of teacher.
01:03I'll give you multiple choice.
01:04And even if I get it wrong, I still get it right.
01:07Because darn it, I tried.
01:08Because there's no wrong.
01:10This is one of those classes where we just sit in a circle and talk to each other.
01:15Wish you were my teacher.
01:17And if you want to turn it in late, that's fine, too.
01:19You just let me know whenever you want to turn it in.
01:22In advance, though.
01:23Oh, no, no, no.
01:24Just whatever.
01:26Sure.
01:27Montessori.
01:28Montessori Willard is your new name.
01:32Okay, here are my four.
01:35I just came up with these in the hallway.
01:38Multiple choice answers for why the Niners are 4-1.
01:40Okay.
01:41888-957-9570.
01:44You pick an answer, too.
01:47Here are my four.
01:48A, Kyle Shanahan.
01:52B, Robert Sala.
01:55C, Mac Jones.
01:58D, luck.
02:01Why are the Niners 4-1?
02:03Well, if you want to rank them, for me, it would be Shanahan 1, Sala 2, Mac 3, and then that's it.
02:10Because I don't believe in luck.
02:12I know you don't believe in luck.
02:13For me, luck.
02:13Is there a different word I could use?
02:15They've gotten breaks.
02:17You know what I mean?
02:18Drop passes, fumbles.
02:20Sure.
02:20Like, whatever.
02:21Honestly, I would use, like, clutch play as the reason.
02:26Because if you want to talk about a Kyron Williams punch out at the goal line, there was nothing lucky about that play.
02:33Alfred Collins blocking a PAT.
02:35There was nothing lucky about that play.
02:38Jake Tonjes catching a up-for-grabs football in the end zone.
02:42That was not luck.
02:43That was your guy being better than their guy.
02:46And was it Upton Stout who dislodged the ball from Zay Jones on that PBU?
02:53Yes, it was.
02:53That was not luck.
02:54That was your guy making a play that their guy didn't.
02:57So, for me, it would be clutch play.
02:59And I would put clutch play, actually, above Mack Jones.
03:03Because Mack has been good.
03:05Brock was fine, except for the game where he wasn't.
03:08And he was hurt, whatever he was.
03:10But, by and large, you are 4-1.
03:12Because when you need a play, you've had a play.
03:16You had the Nick Bosa shrugasaurus in the opener.
03:20You had Bryce Huff, who made another big sack on a play.
03:24I think that was against New Orleans in your second victory.
03:28And you had the Upton Stout, as I mentioned.
03:30You had the Jake Tonjes.
03:31You had the punch-out of Kyron Williams.
03:34You had Eddie Money making a 59-yarder when you needed it made.
03:39Like, I could give you a bunch of things, though, that are not plays that the Niners made.
03:45Marvin Harrison drops passes.
03:47That's not a play that the 49ers made.
03:49Niners had about seven drops against Jacksonville.
03:52So, that's football for me.
03:53Sure, sure, sure, sure.
03:54Yeah, like, sometimes the play you make is the play that the other team doesn't make.
03:58Like, I'm not over here caping up for luck.
04:01I'm just throwing it out there because the 49ers have four wins.
04:05At least three of them are razor thin and feel, I don't know what the word is, a little bit circumstantial.
04:14Do you know what I mean?
04:15I don't think in the Niners' wins, outside of the game against New Orleans, where they were clearly the better team,
04:20I don't think you walk out of any of those games being like, pfft, we outplayed them.
04:26You haven't felt that way, have you?
04:29I had somebody who works for the 49ers tell me after the Seattle game, we have no business winning that football game.
04:35None.
04:35I would argue the Arizona and L.A. ones almost feel even worse in terms of the way it felt watching those games.
04:44Is that fair?
04:45It's fair, but I look at last year, and we look at Ronnie Bell dropping a surefire move the chains first down,
04:54and we don't think, ah, that was unlucky.
04:57And we don't look at a 50-yard pass play to Tutu Atwell and a pass interference and a blown pun recovery.
05:03We don't think, you know, ah, darn it, that was unlucky.
05:06When it goes against us, we say things like, choke and cut and loser and other things.
05:13So when it goes your way to me, it's not luck.
05:16So when it goes against you for me, it's not bad luck.
05:19It's your guy did not come through.
05:22Ronnie Bell was wide open.
05:23He catches it.
05:24He does anything other than fumble.
05:27You win.
05:28And he didn't.
05:28He dropped it, and you lost.
05:30And so, for me, you look at those things, and even the Tampa Bay game last year, where you had your kicker miss three kicks,
05:36you kind of dominated them the whole game, and yet you had to, like, hold on for dear life.
05:42And it wasn't bad luck that you were in a tight spot.
05:46It was bad kicker.
05:47It was bad kicking.
05:49So, for me, luck is, and I mentioned this before, when Brandon Ayuk goes deep down the middle and the ball goes off of somebody's helmet,
05:56and he happens to, like, oh, my God, that's luck.
06:00Or luck is when Arizona intercepts the ball, they fumble it, they kick it, they kick it again,
06:08and then you happen to be the guy to just dive on it in the end zone.
06:11That, for me, is luck.
06:12You clearly don't like the word luck.
06:14I hate it.
06:15But there's a different word that represents some of these things.
06:19Like, what do you call it when the other team has a wide-open receiver who just drops the ball?
06:26Like, what is that?
06:26It's just a break.
06:27Okay.
06:28And that's football.
06:29Yeah.
06:29Like, you do it, they do it, everybody does it.
06:33Luck, to me, is more like when Di Mercado runs 72 yards and drops the ball short of the goal line.
06:41Now, that's luck.
06:42Yeah.
06:42Because you honestly did nothing.
06:44Tennessee did nothing to provoke that.
06:47You just got lucky that he happened to be in a mind space where he thought that he was already in, or whatever he did.
06:54That, to me, is luck.
06:55I don't want to get philosophical about this, but, like, what is the difference between a good team and a bad team in the NFL?
07:03And I mean that beyond the obvious.
07:05Right.
07:06I think if somebody's blowing people out, okay, okay, but, you know, Kansas City Chiefs last year, Niners this year, Tampa Bay Bucs this year, I think people would answer the Tampa Bay Bucs and say, well, what they're doing with a minute to go with Baker Mayfield is a real weapon.
07:22And that's true, but the Chiefs at times last year, it felt like they were, like, I don't know, they were on some higher plane or higher power was weighing in with the way they won football games.
07:34And there's a little bit of that with the Niners this year.
07:37So, that's all I'm asking.
07:39Like, the Niners are 4-1, and I still, I'm still having a hard time branding them as, quote, a good team.
07:49I think they are, and my answer would absolutely be, A, Kyle Shanahan.
07:57Agreed.
07:57That's number one for me, for sure, and that's to take nothing away from all of the other candidates, and then there are more.
08:04Like, we could keep going.
08:06We could bring up other names.
08:07We could bring up other things.
08:08There are lots of things that have contributed to 49er wins this year.
08:12But I know they're well-coached.
08:14I know they're well-constructed.
08:16It still doesn't mean they're immune.
08:18Look at last year, right?
08:19So, they're not immune.
08:21You don't automatically win most of the games just because of Kyle Shanahan.
08:25But I do think he gives you opportunities that maybe you wouldn't be afforded elsewhere.
08:30I don't know too many NFL teams who could have gone out with the crew that went to L.A. last Thursday and won a football game.
08:39Didn't, like, find a game plan that even gives them a chance to win the football game.
08:44And then they had a lot of people out there, including Mack Jones, who executed it.
08:48But what is the difference for Kyle Shanahan in good versus bad?
08:54Well, I think you just said it.
08:55And for me, that's what makes it so you could talk about luck, quote-unquote, whatever you want to talk about.
09:02You get to a spot where you can make a play that can change the game.
09:06And a lot of that, for me, on Thursday was Kyle Shanahan because you go out and you get the ball and you score.
09:13Your defense holds them.
09:15You get the ball back and you score.
09:16You're undermanned.
09:18You're overmatched.
09:19You're on the road on a short week and you're up 14-0.
09:21And that wasn't all Kyle Shanahan, but the play calling, the execution from the offense was supreme.
09:28And you got the lead.
09:29And we all knew that the Rams would make a run and make a run they did.
09:34And the 49ers didn't score.
09:36They didn't score another touchdown in that game.
09:39Am I right?
09:39They were up 14-0.
09:41And they went.
09:42Wait, the Niners?
09:43Yeah, the Niners did not score another touchdown.
09:45No, they went.
09:45That's correct.
09:45Yeah, they went punt and then field goal.
09:4817-7 at halftime.
09:49Yeah, and then punt and then punt and then field goal and then punt and then overtime field goal.
09:56So if you weren't up 14-0, that game goes the way I thought it was going to go, which is you lose 26-12 or whatever.
10:03But Shanahan and the offense, bop, bop.
10:07You got two touchdowns early.
10:08And then you kept it close enough to where you got yourself into a position where you could make a play to win the game.
10:15And they made multiple plays late to win the game.
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10:29Speaking of that free Odyssey app, along with YouTube, that's where you can go back and listen to Sean Salisbury.
10:34If you would like, he joined us just under an hour ago and was fantastic on all things 49ers.
10:41And he used the word luck not in terms of how the Niners won, but in terms of the way the 49ers are structured and us as a fan base.
10:50Because they're like, they are lucky.
10:53They're lucky that they have someone who can come in and still function in Kyle Shanahan's system and win football games.
11:02Like, I think about that too.
11:04After what this fan base and what this organization went through last year, I wonder where we would be right now.
11:11And I mean this collectively and big picture stuff.
11:15If they had lost two of these four games, what if they were two and three?
11:19What if they were one and four?
11:22What would we be attacking right now?
11:25It feels kind of pivotal with regard to Kyle Shanahan.
11:30And I know a lot of people don't want to do this because all's fair in love and war.
11:35And when you're a high-profile face of an organization and you make a lot of money, people are just going to take shots at you.
11:41That's the way it works.
11:42I don't think Kyle cares.
11:44I think he's fine.
11:46He's not worried what anybody calling 95-7 the game has to say.
11:51But it's certainly gotten quiet, hasn't it?
11:55Like, that aspect of the fan base.
11:58And you heard Greg Cosell.
11:59Remember how he started our conversation?
12:02He was being sarcastic, if you don't know.
12:04Those of you who didn't hear the conversation yesterday, the first thing he said, he goes,
12:09Oh, boy, what are your fans saying when they called in after that win Thursday night?
12:14I bet they were all calling in to say that Kyle Shanahan's a great coach.
12:19And we were like, yeah, some are.
12:21He's like, oh, really?
12:23He was being sarcastic.
12:25Right.
12:25That's his way of saying, like, I bet he's still not getting the credit that he most clearly deserves.
12:35And not just for this year.
12:37Not just for this year.
12:39I mean, riddle me this.
12:41Riddle me this.
12:42Okay?
12:43Albert Breer tweets out today,
12:46You know, I used to think that Bill Belichick was the best coach of all time.
12:50And now I don't.
12:51And he had numbers showing what Belichick has done outside of years with Tom Brady.
12:56Oh, boy.
12:57It's not much.
12:57No.
12:58It's not much.
12:59And even Andy Reid, who has been great with Mahomes, but was good before that.
13:04But he had Donovan McNabb for most of that.
13:07Considering the way we hear people talk about Jimmy Garoppolo in this city,
13:11what Brock Purdy is sort of being called right now.
13:16Like, Kyle Shanahan has taken both of those quarterbacks to the Super Bowl.
13:20Right.
13:21The Super Bowl.
13:23I don't know, man.
13:24Well, both very highly paid.
13:26And Garoppolo is the highest paid quarterback at the time.
13:29And it's interesting the way you lay that out.
13:31Because does the coach make the player or does the player make the coach?
13:35And you can look at Patrick Mahomes and say, well, I mean, he's amazing.
13:39He might be the best quarterback in history.
13:42And, yeah, he's had Andy Reid the whole time.
13:44And so is that because of Andy?
13:46Is it because of Patrick?
13:47Well, it's because of both.
13:49I think you can look at it.
13:50And maybe Patrick will have some time when Andy's not the coach.
13:53And we can see what Patrick looks like without Andy.
13:57We saw Andy in Philadelphia, and he was great.
13:59He was there a long time, and they didn't quite get over the hump.
14:02It was very Shanahanian, honestly, if you look at his, I think, 13- or 14-year run,
14:07where they had a lot of good years, and they went to the Super Bowl.
14:10And, well, you had a guy break his leg to Terrell Owens,
14:14and you couldn't go ahead and win that game.
14:17So I always think about all of these conversations in terms of it being complimentary.
14:22Like Sean McVay, he had Jared Goff, and they went to the Super Bowl,
14:26and they got motorboated, and then he traded for Stafford,
14:30and then they won the Super Bowl.
14:31So does that mean that Stafford's better than Goff?
14:34Well, maybe.
14:35Maybe he's just better than Goff in that system,
14:38and better than Goff at that moment.
14:40Because Jared Goff has gone to Detroit,
14:43and he showed himself to be a very good quarterback.
14:45He's been incredibly accurate.
14:47He's won a bunch of games after that first year.
14:49So for me, it always comes down to the situation,
14:53the coach, the quarterback, the situation.
14:56And that's where I do think that Shanahan maybe doesn't get his flowers that he deserves,
15:01especially from the local fans.
15:02Well, I'm glad you brought up McVay,
15:04because actually I was sitting here thinking about even all of these coaching greats we talk about.
15:10Hell, this even applies to Bill Walsh.
15:13How many of them, and I know we focus on winning the Super Bowl,
15:17but I'm a big fan of even going to the Super Bowl.
15:19That is an achievement in my book.
15:22How many of these coaches who we consider the greats right now,
15:27how many of them have taken multiple quarterbacks to the Super Bowl?
15:31Anybody other than McVay and Shanahan?
15:34Thinking about it?
15:35I'm trying to think off the top of my head.
15:37No, Mike Tomlin just had Ben.
15:39Right.
15:40Pete Carroll just had Russell.
15:42Sean Payton just had Drew.
15:44And who else are we thinking?
15:46Suriani has Jalen Hurts.
15:47Jalen Hurts.
15:48Teach me how to Dougie.
15:50I don't think he's even a head coach anymore.
15:52He's not.
15:52He did it with Nick Foles.
15:54Right.
15:54And I don't know if there's another current head coach who's...
15:58Was Zach Taylor the coach?
16:00Zach has done it with Joe.
16:01With Joe Burrow.
16:02Yep.
16:03Anybody else?
16:05Go to a Super Bowl.
16:06I mean, Belichick just left the NFL,
16:08but he never went with anybody other than Brady.
16:11Brady went without him.
16:14I think that's it.
16:16Of current guys, yeah.
16:17Current guys, or even if we want to talk about recent guys.
16:21Even, you know what I mean?
16:22Like, give me the Grudens and the Dungies of the world and all of that.
16:25Like, I...
16:26Yeah, I was thinking about Tom Coughlin.
16:29Did he ever go with Jacksonville?
16:30I know he went with Eli twice, but...
16:32I think so.
16:33When Brunel went?
16:34Didn't Brunel go to a Super Bowl and lose?
16:37I think?
16:38That sounds about right.
16:39No, I might be wrong on that.
16:40I can't.
16:41He went at least to an AFC title game.
16:43But, no, I can't think of...
16:47Like, somebody is saying Don Shula.
16:49Right?
16:49Like, that's...
16:50Okay.
16:51Count it.
16:52We're going back a ways.
16:53We're going back a ways.
16:55Sure.
16:56Someone...
16:56Bill Parcells.
16:57Yes.
16:58Bill Parcells took more on...
17:01You know, more than one.
17:02But...
17:03Right?
17:04Like, in the modern era, it's those two guys.
17:06I was thinking Jeff Fisher, but I don't think he ever got the Rams there.
17:10Dick Vermeule, you can go ahead and put that one on the board.
17:13I think he went there with Philadelphia back in 1980, and then he won it with the Rams.
17:19Oh, God.
17:19But, I mean, yeah.
17:20You're talking...
17:21It's like 143 years in between, but sure.
17:25Yeah.
17:26Sure.
17:26Just trying to, you know, get Dick Vermeule on the show.
17:28Yeah.
17:32There aren't a lot, though.
17:33Mike Holmgren, Brett Favre, and Hasselbeck.
17:37Okay.
17:37Matt Hasselbeck.
17:38Yeah, someone's writing in Andy Reid.
17:42Yes, Andy Reid.
17:43Yep, that's kind of the point of this.
17:44And we met, okay, Donovan McNabb and Patrick Mahomes.
17:49That's special to me.
17:51That's special if you can bring more than...
17:53Because that says something about your system and what you are doing.
17:58Dan Reeves, put it on the board.
18:00Yeah.
18:00Yeah.
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