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00:00Hello and welcome to Gangs All Here. My name is Ryan Sampson. That's my guy Frankie Viteriti from U Stadium. The Jets are entering the bye week at 1-7, getting their first win of the season, Frankie, against the Cincinnati Bengals. A really miraculous win. We're here to talk about this Jets team heading into the bye week, where they're at currently. How do we view them? What did we get right? What did we get wrong about this team before the season? We're pretty much going to talk about how they're going to approach this deadline. We'll talk to our guy Kaz here in a sec about his thoughts about this Jets team and the trade deadline.
00:28They already traded Michael Carter. We'll get that analysis as well. Stick around here for Gangs All Here.
00:34And we're here with our Jets beat writer from the New York Post, Brian Costello. As always, it's the bye week. The Jets are 1-7. Kaz, how are you feeling? How's it going right now for you on this bye week?
00:47Well, Ry, after this podcast, you know, then I'll be on my bye week. So it'll be no offense to you and Frankie, but it's going to be a little bit better when we're finished this.
00:57Oh, man. We're that bad for you?
01:00Well, it's work. I'm like you guys. Talking about the Jets is work for me. So I will be tuning out of the Jets after we're done with this for a few days.
01:12Anything fun for the weekend, the long weekend, Kaz? Doing anything unique?
01:16No, nothing. My son is running in the New Jersey Cross Country State Championship Saturday.
01:22Oh, congrats to him.
01:23So I'm excited about that.
01:24That's cool. That's awesome.
01:25That's my exciting plan right now.
01:28Sounds good to me.
01:30Yeah, I mean, look, I hear you. This team does – it provides a lot of content for us, as always.
01:36And I know that this is not a busy week because they're not playing a game,
01:41but there is still some storylines to talk about with this team as they are in this bye week at 1-7.
01:45Look, since I last spoke to you, I'd asked you about the trade deadline, and it turns out they made some moves.
01:52Obviously, yesterday, the Michael Carter trade, I want to start there.
01:55They did end up moving him, and we saw the writing on the wall after the Jarvis Brownlee trade for the Jets during the season.
02:02So I just want to get your takeaways on the Michael Carter side of this trade
02:07and why it made sense for the Jets to part with him now.
02:12Yeah, I mean, I think it was pretty clear he wasn't part of the plan going forward.
02:16They made the trade for Brownlee with replacing Carter in mind,
02:19and then Brownlee comes in and plays really well.
02:22So, you know, Carter's number is pretty big for next year.
02:26I think they were going to cut him in the offseason if they had held on to him.
02:30So they just spun him off in a trade, get something back for him.
02:34I think, you know, it makes sense.
02:36The only downside to me is you're a little thinner now in the secondary,
02:41and, you know, I'm not sure, you know, if Brownlee gets hurt or something.
02:47I guess Isaiah Oliver is the slot, and, you know, Michael Carter would probably be a better option than that,
02:52but that's, you know, that's a risk we're probably worth taking for the Jets.
02:56Yeah, Kaz, what I do like about the trade is we recouped that six-round pick that was involved in the Harrison Phillips deal.
03:04So we bring that back in terms of that move up there from a seven.
03:08Those six-round picks are important, Frankie.
03:10Hey, I had a lot of quarterbacks I liked in this draft go in the six-round.
03:16No, but, you know, to me, I know a lot of Jet fans are talking about John Mechie.
03:21That's a receiver that I'm seeing some accounts saying, oh, we got our new wide receiver too, everybody.
03:27I actually think you might have tweeted that, Ryan.
03:29Yeah.
03:29I wouldn't go that far, but is there anything that they've said or you've heard that is interesting about John Mechie coming here?
03:37No, I mean, I think he's just an interesting guy because he was a second-round pick,
03:41and obviously he had the illness that, you know, wiped out his first season.
03:46And so, like, I think he's a guy worth taking a flyer on.
03:49There's talent there.
03:50We saw what he did at Alabama.
03:52He was good enough to be a second-round pick.
03:53So that's the kind of guy you, you know, you take a flyer on and see if you can get something out of.
03:58I wouldn't have high expectations.
04:00He's done really – he hasn't done much in Philadelphia this year.
04:05But with the state of the Jets wide receiving core, he's going to get some chances here, I think.
04:11So, you know, it's worth a shot.
04:13It is worth a shot, all things considered.
04:16Tyler Johnson, Williams, Lazard, none of these guys are –
04:21Tyler Johnson's played – Tyler Johnson's played pretty well.
04:23I'm going to stick up for Tyler Johnson.
04:24He has a little bit.
04:25He's done a pretty good job.
04:26Okay.
04:27You know?
04:27Look, I mean, he's been productive.
04:31He's good.
04:31Like, it's been pretty good.
04:33So, you know, he's not great.
04:34He shouldn't be wide receiver two or one.
04:37I guess he was one last week.
04:39But he hasn't been that bad.
04:43Okay.
04:44He hasn't been that bad.
04:45But I will say this.
04:46The state of the Jets wide receiver core needed more talent.
04:49For sure.
04:49Hopefully, Mechie can provide a little more talent for them the rest of this year.
04:53He is a restricted free agent, Kaz, at the end of the year.
04:55Is that correct?
04:55Right, yeah.
04:56Because his first year – his first year, he didn't accrue because he didn't play.
05:00So, yeah, he's a restricted free agent in 26.
05:02Yeah.
05:02So, look.
05:03I mean, I'm not expecting him to do much.
05:05I mean, I'm just – I made a sarcastic remark about the Jets wide receiver two that they just got.
05:09But, like, it talks about more about the state of this wide receiver core that we had.
05:13And I had gone back, Kaz, and looked at our season preview episode.
05:16And that was, like, the first thing we hammered on is this Jets wide receiver room.
05:19Because they didn't get a wide receiver two in the offseason.
05:22So, look.
05:23Adding another body in the room, I don't think it hurts.
05:25And we'll see if they can find some diamond in the rough here.
05:31Yeah.
05:31You know.
05:31I think it's a good throw-in.
05:33Yeah.
05:33I think it's a good throw-in.
05:34And it's a good one.
05:35It's a good – it's worth a roll of the dice here for the Jets.
05:38So, look.
05:38This will get me eventually to our next segment.
05:41But I do want to finalize with the Michael Carter-Brownlee part here.
05:44So, Brownlee was brought in.
05:46And he's played pretty well now since he's come to the Jets.
05:48Yeah.
05:49That seems like – and I heard you talk about this.
05:52This seems like an Aaron Glenn type of player.
05:54Aggressive.
05:55Hard after the ball.
05:57You know.
05:57Clearly has no problem showing his emotion on the field.
06:00And even off the field as well.
06:02Are the Jets making the right move going with Aaron Glenn's type of guys here
06:07and fully backing and believing and, like, we want to bring your system players here?
06:12Yeah, they better.
06:13I mean, they hired the guy as a coach.
06:15They better get his guys in here.
06:16You know, he's the guy.
06:18Aaron Glenn – everything revolves around Aaron Glenn in the Jets universe right now.
06:21So, they need to get his guys in here.
06:23I think that's going to be a big focus this offseason.
06:28You know, I think beyond just, oh, we need to get better at this position or this position,
06:31or it's going to be – can they get guys in here that are going to be Aaron Glenn type players
06:36and are going to deliver his message?
06:37I'm not sure they did a great job of that this offseason.
06:41So, yeah.
06:42And Brownlee, like I said before, I don't think I was the only one.
06:46The game against Denver, you watched him, you're like, oh, this guy looks a little different.
06:50Right?
06:51Like, he plays a little different.
06:52I think Quincy plays like that, but the rest of the defense not quite as aggressive and just fast
06:58and, you know, just moving around, like just emotional, like you said.
07:03So, I think – I think, yeah, I think they need to get more guys like that.
07:09Yeah, look, I mean, it's – I'm interested to see if Brownlee can stick around.
07:13He's going to be playing for a contract.
07:14I know he's under – he's under control for, what, another year after this?
07:17He's in his rookie deals still, yeah.
07:18Rookie's deals.
07:19Yeah, sorry, yeah, he's got a few years left.
07:21He's got a few years left, so I think they're hopefully that he can build
07:24and put part of that nucleus that the Jets are trying to make with Stevens and Sauce
07:28and now Brownlee.
07:29It's a pretty solid cornerback room, you would say.
07:33This is going to transition to me to the gang sounds off.
07:36Aaron Glenn was asked by you, Kaz, before the bye week started,
07:41how is this Jets team going to approach the trade deadline?
07:45Here's what Coach Glenn said.
07:46I would say this – no, I can't say that because that's what Parcells told me.
07:55But, listen, everybody listens.
07:59That doesn't mean that you act on anything.
08:02You know, when someone calls, you listen.
08:05But action speaks louder than words, you know, so I would just put it like that.
08:10Because if someone wants to trade for you, you know, I'm trading you.
08:14Trust me.
08:15We won't know that.
08:19No, I got to keep you around.
08:21I got to keep you around too, man.
08:25Well, we're not trading you, Kaz, and I'm glad that Glenn's not going to trade you either.
08:29Two ones?
08:29Two ones for Kaz?
08:30Two ones?
08:31Maybe.
08:32Maybe I'll think about it.
08:33But, no, look, they already traded Carter, and now it's about what do they do the rest of this roster
08:40and how do they attack this deadline.
08:43Is it of your opinion that they should be major sellers, meaning Brees, Quinnen, Quincy?
08:49You're taking calls on all these guys, and you're like, you know what?
08:51We really don't know if we should keep these guys around, and these aren't our players,
08:54and we should really be drafting – like, building that stockpile of picks for the future.
08:59What is your sense on how this Jets team is going to approach the deadline?
09:02No, I think what Glenn was saying there, basically, is you listen,
09:05but it's got to be the right offer to move guys.
09:09And, you know, Michael Carter was a spare part at this point, right?
09:12He's a backup.
09:15So they moved off of him.
09:16But when the players you're talking about, I think you'd have to have a really strong offer
09:20to move those guys.
09:21I don't think – this isn't baseball, and you just trade guys away and call guys up from AAA.
09:25Like, they have a season to play still.
09:28They have nine games left.
09:29I think they're hopeful that they can be competitive in 2026,
09:33and you're going to need some of these players to do that.
09:35Like, this is not – this was not a full teardown rebuild job by Aaron Glenn, right?
09:40I know they're one in seven, but I don't think any of us expected that
09:44because we thought the roster was better.
09:45So this isn't the situation where, you know, 2019, they sort of –
09:51they traded away a lot of players.
09:52Glenn Williams was the headliner, but then they traded a bunch of other guys
09:55because that sort of felt like, okay, they've got to tear this down
09:58and just start over, and you knew Joe Douglas had to just load up on draft picks.
10:03I don't get the sense that that's where they are right now.
10:06I think it's going to be about value.
10:08Like, Quincy Williams is the interesting one to me
10:11because he's going to be 30 years old next season.
10:15You just pay Jamie and Sherwood a lot, a lot of money.
10:19I don't think you're investing in a linebacker, a second linebacker.
10:24So I think Quincy's probably going to walk in the offseason.
10:28So if you try to spin him just for something right now,
10:31and do you feel good about Kiko and the way he played when Quincy was out
10:36and I feel like you can replace him.
10:38So he's the one to me that's kind of the one to watch now.
10:40The other big names, I'd be surprised if they moved.
10:46I mean, Brees, I know Brees is the one we've talked about a ton.
10:49And the part you asked, Ryan, about their guys, we don't know.
10:53None of us know.
10:54Like, do they think Brees is one of their guys?
10:56Do they not?
10:57Do they think they might franchise tag him?
11:00I mean, it's a big, big chunk of money.
11:02Do they think they can sign him, re-sign him to an extension in the offseason?
11:07These are answers we don't know.
11:09And so it's a big part of the equation here.
11:12And how much money are they going to spend in free agency?
11:14Do they think they could get comp picks?
11:16A comp pick could be left.
11:17But to me, I think – I don't think anyone's going anywhere in the Brees,
11:23Quinan – who else have we talked about?
11:26That category.
11:28Quincy's an interesting one.
11:29Will McDonald.
11:30I don't know if we've talked about Will.
11:32He's an interesting one to me.
11:33Yeah.
11:34Because I just – I don't feel like he fits their defense.
11:39He's got three sacks.
11:41He comes off the field an awful lot, which leads to your favorite player,
11:45you know, Michael Clemens being out there.
11:46Brandon McGregor's been out there a lot.
11:49So, like, I'm just reading the tea leaves.
11:53Do they like him?
11:53Do they feel like – they had bigger defensive ends in Detroit, Glenn.
11:58And, you know, they had 270, 280.
12:00Will's like a 235 guy, 240.
12:03So, do you look at him, and he's under control for another two years,
12:09I think, if you pick up his option.
12:11So, would a team give you a – would a team give you a second-round pick
12:15for Will McDonald?
12:15There's talent there.
12:16Pass rush is hard to find.
12:17Yeah.
12:17There's talent.
12:18And pass rush is hard to find.
12:20So, like, do you do that?
12:22That's so – those are kind of two guys I have my eye on.
12:25Something I want to bring up to you guys that I looked into,
12:28with Brees Hall specifically, the transition tag, if you look into it,
12:33it's a bit more interesting, I think, for Brees.
12:35Basically allowing him to go out there, seek other offers.
12:38You're not putting a two-first-round pick price tag on him.
12:42And if he ends up staying here, you're paying him in that top 10 average
12:47versus that top 5.
12:48Like, sort of what teams are looking at doing in terms of trying to keep
12:52their players around, but in good faith, allowing them to go out
12:54and see what their market is.
12:56I think if the Jets get to a point where they can extend Brees,
12:59I think that makes probably more sense for both sides than, you know,
13:03let's say non-exclusive franchise tagging him.
13:06And then you're basically, you know, putting a gun to his head saying,
13:09you're either going to play here or you're not going to be able to go anywhere
13:11because there's no team that would give us two first-round picks
13:14if they take your match sheet or if they take your offer sheet and we don't match.
13:19But, Kaz, with that being said, does Aaron Glenn have final say on any trade
13:25or any move here?
13:26I mean, like, I know people assume that, but if Darren Mugi wants to do a deal,
13:31do you think, I mean, as long as – I mean, Glenn's got to give the blessing, right?
13:35So, Darren – this is Aaron Glenn's show.
13:38Okay.
13:38He has all the power.
13:39Remember, don't ever forget at the introductory press conference
13:43what Woody Johnson called Darren Mugi.
13:45Called him the sidekick.
13:46Aaron Glenn and his sidekick.
13:48That's what Ryan calls me.
13:50That's all you need to know.
13:52That's all you need to know, right?
13:53It is all you need to know because you're –
13:55I think Mugi has – I think Mugi can do stuff like the small moves and stuff,
14:03and he's the one working the phones, and I'm glad, like, you know,
14:05but I do think everything goes for Ryan Glenn.
14:08He has to approve everything.
14:10So, you talked about Brees, and you're like,
14:12I don't think it makes sense, like, why they would trade him
14:14because it's Isaiah Davis and then who else after that?
14:18And you'd be making yourself remarkably thin if you did trade with Brees.
14:22And not to mention, you are trading him in season,
14:24and I don't know what the value could be in return for Brees Hall.
14:28But we've seen the talent that –
14:30But that's the question, right?
14:31Like, you can – if you can give me some crazy value, yeah, I'm moving Brees.
14:36Would a third-round pick do it for you?
14:39No.
14:40So, I don't think so.
14:42I don't think I would.
14:43I don't think I would.
14:43He's a good player, man.
14:46Like, he's a good player.
14:47And Aaron Glenn has said it a bunch of times.
14:52He wants to keep the good players on the team.
14:54And you see what Detroit –
14:55Obviously, they did it yesterday with Hutchinson,
14:57and they've re-signed a lot of guys.
14:59Obviously, they were winning, so, you know, but I don't know.
15:03Brees is Brees to me.
15:04Like, he's a good player.
15:06And I think – I get it.
15:07Everyone's kind of on that bandwagon after Cincinnati.
15:10But I think if you go back, I've been pretty consistent with all the, like,
15:14Braylon Allen talk was going on.
15:15Like, Brees is the guy.
15:17So, I don't know.
15:19I would hold on to him unless I was blown away, I guess.
15:22Yeah, I was president of the Braylon Allen fan club in the offseason.
15:26You were.
15:27Yeah.
15:28But, yeah, Brees does look great.
15:32And the upside there with Tanner Angstrand, I think,
15:36is just going to keep, you know, rising as we go through the season.
15:39That offensive line looked really, really good against Cincinnati.
15:42I know Cincy's D-line is one of the worst in football.
15:44But, yeah, that offensive line –
15:46That's the hard part of that whole evaluation of offense is Cincinnati's defense
15:51was as bad as it could be.
15:53So, it's going to be interesting when they play Cleveland in a couple weeks.
15:57Oh, boy.
15:58Miles Garrett.
15:59Hey, listen, we got some good tackles.
16:01I don't know if Garrett –
16:02They're going to have another tough task to handle Miles Garrett.
16:06Oh, yeah.
16:06We'll see how good they really are.
16:08We saw Will Campbell try to handle him, too.
16:10Yeah, that's –
16:11Well, I talked to Olu briefly the other day,
16:13and I mentioned it, and he seems excited.
16:16Like, he was pretty –
16:18Olu's kind of just a happy-go-lucky guy, but he was pretty excited.
16:22But I asked him, like, you ever seen him?
16:25Olu, you ever seen Miles Garrett in person?
16:27And he was like, no.
16:30And I remember when the Jets played the Hall of Fame game a few years ago.
16:35Remember that?
16:36They played the Browns at the Hall of Fame in the preseason.
16:38So, Garrett didn't play, but we were, like, in this, like, makeshift –
16:41They don't really have, like, press conference rooms there,
16:43so we were in, like, this makeshift area,
16:44and the Browns players were, like, leaving right behind where we were.
16:47And I saw Garrett.
16:48Garrett came over and hugged Sala.
16:50And that's the first time I think I've ever seen him, like, close.
16:54And he looks like the Incredible Hulk.
16:56Yeah, he's a freak.
16:57And I'm in a football locker room three days a week.
17:00Like, I'm used to seeing large human beings, but he's just built different, man.
17:06Like, it's insane.
17:07So – but Olu seems excited, so we'll see.
17:10We'll see.
17:11I just remember Miles Garrett sacking Justin Fields back in 2021,
17:16four and a half sacks against the Bears.
17:19That was one of his best performances I've ever seen.
17:22Remember when he snapped Trevor Simeon in half on that Monday night too?
17:26Yeah.
17:26He's a freak.
17:28Okay, so you talked about Brees, you talked about Will McDonald,
17:31you talked about Quincy.
17:32The Quinn and Williams one, I do want to touch back again real quick.
17:35Yeah.
17:36Look, it's a guy who's had a down year, I would say, so far.
17:40Hasn't had the production that you would hope for.
17:42Got his big contract a couple years ago.
17:44I know he's got two more years left on his deal.
17:47I saw Jordan Schultz report yesterday about how the teams are actually interested
17:52in Quinn and Williams.
17:53I don't know if you believe in that or there's any credible information there.
17:57But it does seem like there are teams that are looking for an interior defensive lineman
18:02that can generate pass rush.
18:04Is Quinn and valued like that?
18:06And if the Jets get blown away with an offer again, do you make that move to say,
18:11yeah, we kind of have to move off Quinn and take the deal?
18:15Yeah, I mean, look, Quinn and I think is a better player than his production indicates
18:22right now.
18:23His stats indicate, I should say, like he's disruptive.
18:25Like when you watch the film, he's in the backfield a lot.
18:27He is disruptive.
18:28He's not getting the sacks.
18:30But he's back there.
18:33Teams respect him.
18:34And I have a feeling if you went into the offensive meeting of any team playing the Jets,
18:40the first thing they talk about is like, we got to get four hands on 95.
18:43Like that's my guess.
18:46And, you know, I asked someone about value and they're like, you're not going to get
18:51a first round pick for him because he doesn't sack the quarterback enough.
18:54Like a first round pick is going to go to a defensive player who sacks the quarterback.
18:58Right.
18:58That's who you're going to get a first round pick for.
19:00So, you know, could you, would you take a two and a four, something like that?
19:05I don't know.
19:05Maybe.
19:06And the other question is Quinnen himself, right?
19:10Like there's a lot of belief that he's not happy.
19:15And look, this is his seventh season and it's been nothing but crap, as you guys know, for
19:20seven years here for him.
19:21And I think that's tough.
19:23He, he doesn't say a lot publicly.
19:25Um, so, you know, he, he's always says the right thing, but he doesn't seem like a great
19:31or a very happy guy right now when I've been around him.
19:34And there's a lot of, there's, there is some belief out there that, you know, maybe he'd
19:38want out and his contract is conducive to, to being moved to.
19:43So, um, that's the only reason I'm why I think Quinnen is watching.
19:47I mean, if you're the Jets, I don't think you can trade them unless, unless you got some
19:51crazy offer.
19:52He's just too, he's too good.
19:54He's too valuable.
19:55And like I said about Aaron Glenn before, I don't think he wants to be shipping good
19:59players out of the building.
20:01Cause you do get the feeling with Quinnen and maybe some other guys that they're not happy
20:05here or there's a vibe or maybe it's just cause they've been losing.
20:08So right.
20:09Right.
20:09This is hard.
20:10This is hard, Frankie.
20:11Right.
20:11Because people would hear this and go, Oh, he wants out.
20:13I'm not saying he wants out.
20:14Yeah.
20:14Yeah.
20:14But like, but the last time, I mean, they were Oh and seven, right?
20:21Like there, there wasn't anyone in the locker room who was really happy.
20:24Right.
20:25And, and then I feel like the older you get, the more unhappy you get.
20:31Right.
20:31Like, so like if you're a kid and you're in your first or second year in the NFL, like,
20:35Hey man, you made the NFL.
20:36Like that's, you're kind of just excited that you're there and you really don't, you know,
20:42Hey, I'm going to turn this team around.
20:43I've had, I don't know how many guys I've heard.
20:45I'm going to be part of the turnaround here.
20:47And then you get four, five, six, seven years in and it's not turning around.
20:54And Quinnen's on his third coach.
20:55Quinnen's on his third GM.
20:57The GM who dropped him got fired a month after he dropped him.
21:00He's lived through 2020.
21:02You know, he's lived through Aaron Rogers.
21:05He's lived through Zach Wilson.
21:07Like he, all the stuff, like I talk about the disconnect sometimes between you guys as
21:12fans and like Aaron Glenn, who's only been here for eight months or nine months and he
21:16doesn't get the pain.
21:18Quinnen gets the pain.
21:19Yeah.
21:19Cause Quinnen, Quinnen's been here for half of the drought basically.
21:24So like, I don't blame the guy if he's miserable.
21:28I don't and think about all the winning he did at Alabama and you know, so if Quinnen
21:34was to say, Hey, I really want to go somewhere where I can win, I would get it.
21:38And I don't think I'd blame him.
21:39I don't think he's going to say that.
21:41Cause I just don't think he's at, he's going to, I don't know.
21:43I don't think he's going to do that, but I do think it's something that people are wondering
21:50around the league if he wants out.
21:51And that's why I do want to say this.
21:54I mean, I listened to field Dates yesterday and I respect field cause I think he's, he's
21:58well tuned in and he's got some good opinions and he said this and I thought this was interesting.
22:03There's a lot of young GMs in the NFL right now.
22:05And a lot of them are aggressive in terms of, you know, trying to build a roster and get
22:09the good players.
22:10And like you said, cause if there's a mutual respect for Quinnen Williams and the player
22:14and the talent that he is, and look that GMs are going to negotiate and say, look, he
22:17doesn't have the production that we want, but there's still the ability of we can
22:21offer.
22:21Maybe if that's a really good team, a late first round pick or an early second round
22:25pick, if it's depending on what the team is.
22:27Yeah.
22:27I feel like that's a point where you have to pull the trigger and trade Quinnen Williams
22:32because really this season's going nowhere.
22:34And I don't know if next year is going to be really that promising.
22:37And I feel like Quinnen, like you said, is a guy been here so long has gone through it,
22:42gone through the pain.
22:43He's worth, he's worth at his highest level right now in terms of, I can get my most return.
22:48And there's no guarantee next year.
22:50He's going to be a better player.
22:52And, and maybe he isn't the greatest fit for Aaron Glenn's defense.
22:55I don't know.
22:56I just, there's a part of me that wonders, like, could you actually get the most for
23:01your return right now or in the off season for Quinnen?
23:04I think he fits any defense for him.
23:06And like, I think he's a much better player than Jets fans realize.
23:10And I think if you like, just watch him down to down, he is an effort player.
23:17He's just, I, and I, like, I look at a team like the Ravens, right?
23:22Who they're, they're kind of a mess and defensively they haven't been good.
23:26And they lost, um, Matabuke, right?
23:29He's, he's hurt.
23:30Like, would they make a move for Quinnen if they feel like they can make a run here with
23:34Lamar back?
23:35Obviously that division's there for the taking.
23:37Like he would make sense there to me.
23:40Uh, I think, I think he's a really good player.
23:43So I'd be careful about letting him leave.
23:45What is, is he 28 years old?
23:47Quinnen is 27.
23:48He'll turn 28 in, uh, December 21st.
23:52Okay.
23:53I still think there's some good years left there, but yeah, it's, it's getting there.
23:57So yeah, I mean, I, I think you have to figure out what the future is going to be with him.
24:02Uh, his number goes up pretty high soon.
24:05I think 2027, maybe the number jumps up.
24:08Um, so you probably have to rework that deal at some point, but I, I'd have to be blown
24:13away to trade Quinnen Williams real quick before Frankie, I'll let you follow up on that.
24:18I will say this about Quinnen and these, this, I hear you cause I'm like jets fans don't
24:22understand how good Quinnen Williams is in terms of production.
24:25He has his lowest pressure percentage, his lowest pass, uh, rush win rate percentage of his
24:30seven year career heading into this year in terms of sack production.
24:34Obviously it's only one.
24:35It's not great.
24:36We'll see where he ends up at the end of the year, but right now the way he is playing,
24:40it's the worst that he's played since his rookie year.
24:42So I just, I, I wonder again, I would wonder, I would ask Ryan and I'd really have to look
24:48at this.
24:49I don't know this off the top of my head, but is this the worst defensive line he's played
24:54with in terms of Jermaine missed a lot of games.
24:56So Jermaine is now back.
24:57That's going to help.
24:57But like you're the president of the Michael Clemens fan club, Michael Clemens takes no
25:04pressure off of him.
25:05Right.
25:06We talked about Will McDonald's.
25:08He's been in and out.
25:09Braden McGregor has been playing a lot.
25:11Like that's kind of weak.
25:12I think Harrison Phillips was a nice pickup, but I'm not sure Harrison Phillips is as good
25:17as what they've had here in the past next to Quinnen.
25:21Briggs has played okay, but, but he doesn't get so many snaps.
25:25Okay.
25:25But does Briggs take pressure off of Quinnen?
25:27No.
25:28Like who is, who is the guy on the defensive line that you say, you know what?
25:32We got to double him other than Quinnen.
25:34There's, there's no one.
25:35So, and like, I do think at times they've had guys like that, um, that, that drew more
25:43attention than these guys are drawn.
25:45Uh, so I think that's been tough.
25:48I think this is probably the worst defensive line he's played on in a while.
25:52I, I, obviously I'm going off the top of my head here and I don't remember who was
25:55on the 2020 defensive line, but in the last few years, this is probably the worst it's
26:00been.
26:01Um, you know, and so I think that does play a factor in the production, right?
26:06Yeah.
26:06I will say this.
26:07And, and, and I, I sort of agree with both of you to an extent.
26:10Uh, I do think Quinnen hasn't had his best season.
26:15Um, but I also do see where cause is coming from in the sense of also sometimes when you
26:20have a pass rusher, that's able to really get to the quarterback from the outside that
26:24funnels, a lot of stuff on the inside.
26:26So it gets those sack numbers up where you look at the D tackle after half a season,
26:30you're like, Oh, he has three and a half, four sacks or eight, uh, five sacks.
26:34Um, sometimes even more, uh, that sometimes is a lot of a product of the outside pass rush,
26:41which I don't think Quinnen's had, uh, really an elite edge pass rusher since he's been here.
26:47Huff's the best edge rusher.
26:48Yeah.
26:49Yeah.
26:50By far.
26:51I don't know if you call Bryce elite.
26:52Yeah.
26:52Yeah.
26:52It's like, you know, like he is, I think he's been, been, he's disruptive in the run game
26:57too.
26:57Like he gets back there and, and not necessarily he's always making a tackle, but he's rerouting
27:02things and stuff.
27:03Like, I, I don't know.
27:04I just watch him.
27:04I think he's a disruptive player.
27:06And, uh, so what, what would you guys trade him for?
27:11I think if a second round pick came in, I would do it in a heartbeat.
27:15Uh, first rounder, obviously that's no question.
27:17Um, I, it, but it'd have to be more than just the two.
27:21It'd have to be multiple picks for Quinnen.
27:23In my opinion, if it's a second round pick, it'd be second round pick.
27:26And then some, um, just because I got in a fourth, right.
27:29The jets are missing second and a fourth.
27:31Yeah, I would, because the jets are missing a third round pick right this year.
27:33So like you need more picks this upcoming draft, which goes back to what I was saying with
27:37field eights is that this draft upcoming is not a top heavy draft.
27:42Um, but it just, it seems like also with the state of college football, it's way different
27:46than it's ever been before players can stay another year because they're making more money.
27:51Um, and, and the talent just isn't as good as you would think every single year coming
27:55out.
27:55So that's why it's just, it depends on how aggressive a GM wants to be and calling guys
28:00like, Hey, a proven commodity in Quinnen Williams.
28:03I'll trade for that over my first round pick where I have no idea if this guy's actually
28:07going to hit.
28:07You made such a good point, Ryan, with the, the young GM comment that you just brought
28:13up about, I think it's changing a little bit in the NFL.
28:16So whereas maybe we're not looking at this trade deadline, like they do in baseball, these
28:21young GMs, they're coming from different backgrounds.
28:23Now they're trying to be more aggressive.
28:25Maybe the league does start becoming a bit more like the NBA and MLBR in terms of trade
28:30and flight and player flexibility.
28:32Uh, it's, it's, we're definitely seeing a trend.
28:35I mean, yeah, it's happening in the off season for sure.
28:38Definitely more stuff happened January, February, March than before, but I'm not sure we've seen
28:42you get mid season, right?
28:44Like there's going to be moves, but I'm not sure the big splash move will happen this week.
28:49Um, maybe not like I'm interested guys, like the draft pick thing, right?
28:54Like what you just said, Ryan, is maybe a GM will look at it and go, I'll take a short
28:58thing and coin in over a draft pick.
29:00Right.
29:01But then the flip side is, do, do the jets want a draft pick or do they want a short
29:06thing?
29:07I don't, I don't know.
29:08That's a, that's a Aaron Glenn question.
29:10Darren Mouji question.
29:11No, and like, they're probably, I'm, I'm, I'm curious with you guys.
29:14Cause you've seen this team, whoever the GM is like the drafts have not been good for
29:20a long, long time.
29:21Right.
29:21There's 2022 and then, you know, there's hits here and there, but like, but you guys still
29:29seem to want picks.
29:31I get, I, I, I'm starting to question like how valuable these picks are because maybe
29:36because I've just been watching the jets so long and they're not hitting on these
29:39picks it's like, I, Frankie, like I made a joke about the six round pick.
29:42It's like, they don't hit on many six round picks.
29:46Now I do know like a team like the Ravens, I do this draft study every year, five years.
29:51The Ravens are all consistently one of the best drafted teams.
29:53And cause they have the most picks, right?
29:56It's not because they're picking, they're necessarily picking better with the, it's the percentage.
30:02They're just, they're just, they have such a large number of picks.
30:04They, they hit on them.
30:06That's been mainly compensatory picks, but I don't know.
30:10I, I struggle with the draft pick thing.
30:12I don't know.
30:12I don't know which way to go on that.
30:14Would they get a compensatory pick if Quincy Williams walks in free agency?
30:20I doubt it.
30:21Okay.
30:21I don't think Quincy is going to get a huge contract.
30:23I also though, here's the part, here's the part when you talk about compensatory picks,
30:27how much are the jets going to spend?
30:29Yeah.
30:29That's the variable there.
30:31I don't know.
30:31I mean, I look at it and go, they have a lot of space.
30:34Traditionally, the jets like every two years go on a spending spree.
30:37So like, are they going to do that?
30:38And now I was talking to somebody the other day and they were like, well, isn't this regime
30:42going to be smarter than that?
30:43Like, and not do what the last, what the previous regimes have done and just go spend
30:47huge money on average players, you know, in free agency.
30:51And I'm like, I don't know.
30:53It seems to be what happens.
30:55So that's the piece.
30:56Like, we don't know when you talk about breeze too, like the compensatory pick, like how
31:00much are the jets going to spend in free agency?
31:02It's a good question by you cause.
31:03And also like if, if Aaron Glenn wants to follow what the lions are doing, have you
31:09guys seen now that the Aiden Hutchinson got picked, uh, signed to an extension, they spent
31:14nearly a billion dollars on their core guys.
31:17Most of those guys were drafted by them besides Jared Goff.
31:20Like most of those guys were drafted by the lions.
31:23They developed them.
31:24And then once they said, you know what, these guys are worth keeping and building around,
31:27they reward them with these massive contracts.
31:29So that, that, that's goes to your point cause of like, do you value, you know what, maybe
31:33we're just better off drafting a guy than spending all the money in the off season and trying
31:37to fill the roster with talent that way.
31:41Yeah.
31:42I'm curious with the lions.
31:44Did they have, have they had any big free agent signings through these, through the years
31:48of that, that regime?
31:49Uh, I'd have to look at right now, the overview of contracts.
31:52I mean, the biggest, I think it's mostly been drafted.
31:55So I think that their best players, like you're right.
31:56Goff was a big trade.
31:57Yeah.
31:58Uh, it's mostly been, they mostly drafted the David Montgomery.
32:02They signed, right.
32:03Uh, but Jamison Williams, they drafted.
32:06Yeah.
32:07Taylor Decker, Aiden Hutchison, Amin Ross, St.
32:09Brown, DJ, uh, DJ reader was a free agent pickup, right?
32:13Yes.
32:13Penny Sewell, obviously, uh, they drafted Anzalone, the linebacker who is a free agent.
32:18The Jets might be interested in if Quincy walks in the off season.
32:21Um, yeah, I mean, a Lee McNeil, I mean, all these guys are, are guys that they haven't really
32:27gone crazy in free agency, which is interesting.
32:29Yeah.
32:29And that's, that's the Glenn factor.
32:32Mugi, I feel like the Broncos where Mugi's from, the Broncos have spent pretty handsomely
32:37in free agency.
32:38You know, spent a lot in free agency this off season.
32:40I thought they were going too far.
32:42Apparently not was the, uh, new England Patriots.
32:45They were spending money all off season.
32:47They were, they brought in digs, Milton Williams, Harold Landry.
32:51I mean, Carlton Davis, they were signing everybody.
32:53It felt like, um, but yeah, with that being said, I think with, with this conversation,
32:59the jets need a system and the system has to be able to know how to plug and play certain
33:05players.
33:06So as a fan cause I'm kind of like as waiting for the system.
33:10Like I'm all excited now with this offense being a system that I think we can build towards
33:15like you want middle of the field weapons, guys that can, you know, utilize crossing
33:20routes, another slot receiver.
33:21So now that I'm kind of seeing a system on offense, I'm getting a little bit more excited
33:26as to what these picks can be.
33:27I think on the other end, other teams are going to look at players like Quinnen and say,
33:31you know, they haven't used them well, or they don't, they're not stunting him enough
33:36or they're not giving them enough help.
33:37Well, we do have a quality edge and bring them in, you know, like I, you know, um, so
33:44I'm curious to see what happens with him.
33:46I, uh, I, I'm, I'm so yin and yang with Quinnen, man.
33:50I, one week, I love him one week.
33:53I'm like, you know, this guy doesn't want to be here.
33:54He doesn't try hard and get them off the team kind of thing.
33:57Like, well, I'm saying it.
34:00Well, I'm not saying try hard.
34:02That's what I mean in the sense of like, get your pee hot.
34:05Like he played against some offensive lines that were beat up some UDF phase where like,
34:09there's no reason that he can't one snap, just bull rush the heck out of one of these guys
34:15and put them on their ass and get to the quarterback.
34:19Like, not that he doesn't try hard, but what I mean is like, just, just tap into it.
34:22Like, like become a maniac for a few snaps.
34:25And I don't see him doing that.
34:27Like enough where, yeah.
34:29I mean, look, I think the game, the game we'll all think about with Quinnen was the green Bay
34:33in 2022, right?
34:35That was the quitting game.
34:37Yeah.
34:37Quinnen took that game over and you haven't seen that a lot of other times.
34:41So I understand that.
34:42I understand that perspective.
34:43Yeah.
34:44Yeah.
34:45It's tough.
34:46I think defensive linemen, especially nose tackles like Quinnen and D tackles at that play,
34:52the one technique, he's getting double teamed every play.
34:55It's a grind.
34:56It stinks, man.
34:57I mean, it's, it's a lot.
34:59You're getting guys trying to, you know, you're getting guys to your legs.
35:02You're trying to stay healthy, upright.
35:04I mean, uh, you don't even know where the ball is most of the time.
35:06Honestly, you're just fighting two dudes and trying to stay in your gap.
35:09Like it's a grind.
35:10I think it could be getting stale here for him.
35:14Like he might need a new Jersey, new, a new division, you know?
35:17Yeah.
35:18Well, look, there's Carl Banks think.
35:20I was just about to make a marker on that one.
35:23Cause does he think he's being respected by opposing teams?
35:28Maybe we need to ask Cleka.
35:30What do you think?
35:31I do want to go to the next segment here called surprise or make sense.
35:37And so basically what I'm going to ask you guys is a couple of topics here
35:42about this jets team.
35:43And I want you to tell me whether it's surprise surprises you,
35:46or it makes sense.
35:47Uh, the first one being the wide receiver room and the production they've had
35:52this season.
35:53Are you surprised at what they've done so far or does it make sense?
35:56What the way they played thus far?
35:57I'll start with you guys.
35:59I've been surprised at how well Garrett Wilson did when he was out there with,
36:03with all the, cause of all the attention he's getting.
36:06Right.
36:06But yeah, the rest of it makes sense to me.
36:08Um, it's exactly what we thought it was going to be.
36:11Frankie.
36:12Yeah.
36:12It makes complete sense to me as much sense as possible.
36:16Um, I do think though, Tyler Johnson has been, been pretty good.
36:20Okay.
36:20This is the Tyler Johnson.
36:22Let it be known here, everyone.
36:25Uh, all right.
36:26Surpriser makes sense.
36:27Cause lack of running the ball.
36:29Well, and Brees Hall's usage thus far this season, excluding this past week.
36:34Yeah.
36:35It's been surprising.
36:36I mean, I thought they were going to be able to really run the ball.
36:39Well, I would throw Justin Fields, uh, running the ball in here as well.
36:44It feels like they got away from that for a long time before Cincinnati made no
36:49sense to me.
36:50Um, so yeah, that one's been surprising.
36:52I thought they were going to be, uh, you know, they're, they're, I think they're
36:55number two in rushing in the NFL.
36:57So the numbers have been good, but just watching game in and game out, it feels
37:00like they've gotten away from it at points.
37:03Yeah, I agree.
37:04I'm surprised that Justin Fields has less than 300 rushing yards at this point.
37:09Um, some people predicted him, he was going to get close to a thousand.
37:12And maybe I did in the preview show.
37:14I don't remember, but, um, yeah, I'm a little surprised, but I think now they're
37:19starting to kind of understand it a bit.
37:21And I do think that Justin Fields had some injuries.
37:25We know he had the concussion.
37:27He mentioned the leg injury.
37:28I think that maybe stopped Tanner from wanting to run that read option.
37:31You don't want to leave him out there to dry.
37:33We saw what TJ Watt did to him.
37:35Right.
37:35So, um, yeah.
37:37All right.
37:38My next one for surprise or make sense is the defense having a lack of pass rush
37:44surprise or make sense guys.
37:48Uh, I guess I'd be surprised at how bad it's been.
37:52I didn't think they were going to be incredible, but you know, and Jermaine being out plays,
37:56it plays a role in this too.
37:57He hasn't played a lot, obviously.
37:59So, but yeah, I thought they'd be better pass rush wise, um, and, and, you know, it hasn't
38:06happened.
38:08Frankie kind of go on the other side of that.
38:10I think it makes sense for, for one reason.
38:13I did think there was a need at edge coming into the season, not saying a quality edge,
38:20like one of the top edges in football, but somebody that can give them better depth as
38:25a pass rusher that'll help limit McDonald's snap.
38:29So he can come in on, let's say, you know, third and longs and Jermaine coming off that
38:33Achilles just would give you more flexibility and, and more energy on the outside there.
38:39So, um, I thought they neglected that coming into the season.
38:42And, um, I think it makes sense that they're not able to really effectively get to the quarterback.
38:48All right.
38:49Surprise or make sense.
38:50The defense is lack of turnovers cause.
38:53I mean, I wrote about this, uh, I, I did a, a piece for Sunday, kind of like resetting
39:01the seasons, all categories.
39:02And one of the categories was like head scratcher.
39:07The fact that this team has zero interceptions, I cannot wrap my brain around it.
39:13I can't because like you watch football every week and there's, you know, it's not all skill
39:19with interceptions.
39:20There's a tip pass and it falls into a guy's hands.
39:23They overthrow a ball, you know, and it, and it, and it lands in a guy's between the
39:29numbers.
39:29There's, um, desperation heave at the end of the first half and the guy intercepts it.
39:34Like we've seen dumb interceptions, right?
39:37If you watch football every week, you see dumb interceptions.
39:3930% are dumb interceptions, literally dumb luck, right?
39:42Like this isn't like some skillset you have to have.
39:47And they've got none.
39:48Like, how do they have none?
39:49How, like, it's, it's just inconceivable to me.
39:53It's inconceivable.
39:54And if you want to pile onto it, you're paying a lot of money for those two cornerbacks and
40:00they have no interceptions.
40:00Like, how, how the hell is that possible?
40:03It's just, it boggles my mind, Ryan, but it just, I can't figure it out.
40:09And like, I got to think Aaron Glenn is putting his head through a wall over this.
40:14Oh, you have to be, you have to be, uh, Frankie, your thoughts.
40:17I couldn't agree more.
40:19I would have been surprised if you told me at this point that a defensive lineman or a
40:24linebacker hasn't gotten an interception.
40:26That might've been a little surprising to me too.
40:28Like nobody on the team has, it's, it's really wild to think about.
40:33You know what?
40:34They really messed Brandon Eccles.
40:36I never wanted to get rid of that guy.
40:38Cause I, um, I love that guy.
40:40Brandon Eccles, Brandon Eccles always had like five interceptions.
40:44And the rest of the team had won somehow.
40:46Yeah.
40:46We turn on the game the other night and you see the ball just fall into Bobby Wagner's
40:50lap.
40:51Like, and Bobby Wagner has been fantastic, by the way.
40:53I'm, uh, I'm pretty close to Bobby for a little bit.
40:56And I was talking to him in the off season a little bit and he, and I go, how do you
41:00constantly rank in the top five and tackles?
41:03And you always find a few interceptions, get some sec.
41:05He goes, the instincts, man, instincts are everything in ball.
41:09So, I mean, I don't know if these guys don't have instincts or they're just
41:12unlucky though.
41:13Like, I'm like, I don't know.
41:15I can never put my finger on it.
41:16I think it's a combination.
41:18I think it's a combination.
41:19Yeah.
41:19All right.
41:20Surpriser makes sense.
41:21Aaron Glenn struggles with time and game management.
41:24Kaz.
41:26Makes sense.
41:27I mean, he's doing the job for the first time.
41:30Right?
41:30So, uh, I, I, I, I expected growing pains.
41:34Look, I mean, the end of the first half in London.
41:37No, like that was ridiculous, but, uh, I don't think it's been, like that game was
41:45horrible.
41:46Um, there's a few other instances, but I don't think it's been shocking.
41:50I, I, I think it's been, been made sense for, for a first time, first time head coach.
41:55Frankie.
41:56The only, the only reason it surprises me is because didn't he hire somebody that's
42:02responsible for clock?
42:03Yeah.
42:04So that like John Berger.
42:05Yeah.
42:05They all have that guy, you know, and that guy's in their ear and we don't know what
42:09they're saying, but like they go, they go pretty much straight analytics and then the
42:13coach decides what they want to do.
42:16Um, you know, I thought his game management, the two point conversions Cincinnati was really
42:22well played.
42:23Yeah.
42:24Yeah.
42:24And listen, I was saying this cause to Ryan on the post game, you know, we will critique
42:29every little last bit of everything in a loss.
42:33I'm like, do you see where 30 minutes into this post game, we've barely brought up the
42:37defense missing, you know, 16 tackles or whatever, however many tackles they miss.
42:42Like you don't bring it up in a win.
42:44It doesn't come up.
42:45Yeah.
42:45I mean, this, this week has been fascinating to watch the flip of like one win has created
42:53good vibes and everyone's like, Oh, you know, it's like, and it was like, yeah, it's
42:59like, it's, it's crazy to me.
43:01It's like, yeah.
43:02So, and then we'll, and then if they lose to Cleveland, we'll be back to our regularly
43:07scheduled program.
43:08I said, you go, whichever way the wind blows, you go.
43:21I'm like, if they lose, they're the worst thing ever.
43:23If they win, they're going to the Superbowl.
43:25I'm like, there's no one in between.
43:26Hey, I'm not hung up on me, but yeah, it's a, I feel like that's a lot of fans.
43:30It's just, do you feel the same way about us?
43:32You guys aren't quite as bad.
43:35There's more perspective here, but then go, I mean, you guys, at least you guys didn't
43:37start with like, you think they can, you know, rattle off.
43:41I, I meet some great people on the road, some great jets fans on the road.
43:46Cause I always laugh.
43:48I'm like, I, I, the only place I'm really famous is at the gate of the, at the, for the
43:53plane on a road trip.
43:54Right.
43:55Like, cause that's always really diehard jets fans that travel through these games.
43:59So the guy came over and was talking to me and he's like, Hey, I don't know.
44:03Like, could we, can we rattle off like nine in a row now?
44:08No, you can't rattle off nine in a row.
44:11You can't like, have you been watching?
44:14Like, dude, like you're, you might get, you know, you might win four.
44:18You might win five.
44:19Like that's my five wins.
44:22Is that that's, that's about as far as you're going to go, brother.
44:24Like, you know, so relax.
44:26Cause we are hopeless, hopeless creatures here as fans.
44:30You wouldn't come back if you weren't, you know, there was an account, Ryan and cause
44:35it said, uh, if you weren't with us, when we were one in seven, I know they're serious.
44:45I think they were serious.
44:47Like they were defending it.
44:48We're just desperate for a winner.
44:49Desperate for a winner.
44:50Uh, my last one for surprise or makes sense.
44:53And that was a great story guys.
44:54And I will tell you guys on the thing after this surprise or makes sense.
44:57Tanner angstrands play calling thus far.
45:03Um, Hmm.
45:05I think makes sense.
45:06I don't think it's been, I don't know.
45:08A lot of games where I'm like going crazy on the play calling.
45:11Like we talked about, I think he's gotten away from the run sometimes, but again, right.
45:14Like most offensive coordinators do, they, they, they, especially in the scores have
45:19sometimes dictated that they, they get away.
45:21So no, I think his play calling has been good overall.
45:23And, um, I think it's made sense.
45:26I'm only surprised that we don't have 400 yards every single game guys.
45:31No, no, it make, no, it makes sense.
45:34Um, guys know I'm a big fan of Tanner.
45:37Um, and there were times and cause you had brought this up earlier in the season and, and
45:43Rye would reiterate it to me.
45:45And you guys were right about this, that he didn't seem to feel out what was happening.
45:49He was sort of reading the plays off a script or off a book, um, versus kind of thinking
45:54a little bit and feeling out the situation situation.
45:57Yeah.
45:57I want to see how that progresses throughout the season.
46:00Um, starting to feel like he's getting it a little bit more, but, uh, time will tell
46:05with him, but, uh, it makes sense.
46:07I think, uh, he's running a lot of plays that they ran in Detroit, especially in key moments
46:12that HB toss pass touchdown.
46:14That was a lion.
46:15You posted it.
46:16That was a lion's play.
46:17Well, uh, cause, uh, hit up angstrand after the game against the Bengals and goes, it's
46:22like ballsy call there on the breeze throw.
46:26And he goes, we've been working on that for weeks.
46:27Yeah.
46:28Yeah.
46:28Yeah.
46:28Yeah.
46:29You said that on your last show.
46:29Yeah.
46:31And then the, uh, the rough, someone pointed out, I'm sure you saw someone pointed on Twitter,
46:36the, the tight end pass.
46:38Yep.
46:38Um, you know, it was at you, Rye.
46:40And nobody gave him credit for it.
46:42It's okay.
46:43I went back in the film and saw it in 2021.
46:46Oh, look, uh, it's, it, I'm looking forward to seeing as you rack up surprise or mistake
46:51or make sense.
46:52I'm looking forward to seeing how this team progresses throughout the rest of the season.
46:55If they can take those incremental steps just to improve cause get better game management,
46:59get better on third and fourth down situations.
47:02Can this defense be more consistent and not disappear, uh, after having two strong games?
47:07Uh, so I'm just looking forward to seeing how all that goes forward, but I want to end
47:11on some fun stuff on trivia.
47:13Uh, but before I get to that, I got to mention here last week over unders that guy, Brian Costello
47:19was five and all, including picking Brees Hall anytime touchdown.
47:24So well done, sir.
47:25Well done.
47:26And I got the win and I picked the win and you picked the win and you picked the win.
47:31That's a flush.
47:32It's a flush.
47:32It's a straight flush right there.
47:34Uh, so cause was perfect last week in over unders Frankie, you were three and two.
47:37So on the season cause is now 29, 25.
47:40So he's four over 500.
47:42So you'd be up four units.
47:44You'd be up four units.
47:45If you stuck with cause all season long, Frankie, you're 24 and 30.
47:48You'd be down six units.
47:49If you followed off every week, I end up falling off.
47:51Even if I have a win, you know, a winning record.
47:54I know what are you doing to me?
47:55I'm not doing it.
47:56That's your picks.
47:57All right, cause it's time for stump cause.
47:58Uh, Jets have lost the last, actually, I'm not going to give it to you.
48:04They've lost a lot of bi-weeks, a lot, a lot of games after the bi-week, I should say.
48:08Um, do you know by chance the record since 1990 for the New York Jets, their record after
48:15the bi-week?
48:16No.
48:17Because 1990, I should mention is when they introduced a mandatory bi-week for every NFL
48:23team.
48:23No, I've not studied the record after the bi-week.
48:2617.
48:26I think they beat the Giants after the bi-week a few years ago.
48:31I remember that.
48:32You sure about that?
48:33They beat the, the Tommy DeVito game.
48:34Wasn't that after the bi-week?
48:36I don't have that game after the bi-week.
48:37I don't remember, to be honest.
48:38The last win I have for the Jets, they've lost nine in a row and they haven't won since
48:422015.
48:43I thought they, I thought, check, check.
48:44I thought the bi-week was before the Tommy DeVito game, which was 2023.
48:48They had a long week, I think, before, were they at London the week?
48:52Oh, you're right.
48:52You're right.
48:53You're right.
48:53They beat them in overtime.
48:54I'm sorry.
48:55I missed that.
48:55I thought that was a loss against the Giants.
48:57So they're one and eight in their last nine games after the bi-week.
49:01So you didn't totally stump Kaz this week.
49:03I didn't stump him.
49:03He stumped me now.
49:04He always gets you at the end.
49:05That's Kaz right there at the end.
49:07Kaz, this was fun.
49:08Enjoy the bi-week, sir.
49:09Enjoy Halloween.
49:11It's nice to have a week off in Halloween, in October, I should say, and not earlier in
49:15the season.
49:15Let me make a point about the bi-week thing, though, Ryan, if I can, right?
49:20Because Rich Cimini is also the king of these stats of, like, the Jets are the worst.
49:25The Jets are the worst team X.
49:27If you pretty much take anything over the last decade, 15 years, the Jets are the worst team.
49:34So, like, the Jets record on Thursdays in October is the worst.
49:39Yeah, the Jets record in September, the Jets record in November, the Jets record in December,
49:43the Jets record when there's a full moon.
49:46Like, most of them are the worst.
49:48Like, they've been bad.
49:50They've had a terrible record.
49:51So, I don't read too much into the bi-week thing, Ryan, because I think that's coaching, right?
49:57Like, so, maybe they'll come out and play inspired against Cleveland.
50:01Kaz, one quick thing.
50:02This made the headlines on social media.
50:05Everyone's up and on about the tickets going up, the season tickets.
50:10What's the deal with that?
50:11Some sections are not going up in the upper level.
50:14Some they are.
50:14I mean, inflation's inflation.
50:16I tend to tell people they're probably going to go up a little every year.
50:19I'm not really sure what other teams do, but what's the deal on that?
50:22Yeah.
50:23Yeah, I kind of struggle with this, Frankie, because, like, I don't know about you guys,
50:28but I get an email from streaming services every day.
50:32Your price is going up, you know?
50:34Hulu's going up.
50:35Netflix goes up.
50:39You go to a restaurant now, and, you know,
50:42you can't get a meal for less than $30 at, like, an average restaurant, you know?
50:47So, everything is going up.
50:50That being said, the product has been terrible for the Jets,
50:52so I understand the frustration with it.
50:56But, you know, if you buy the tickets, they're going to keep raising the prices.
51:00Like, if you don't buy the tickets, then maybe they won't raise the prices.
51:04I don't know.
51:04I mean, from my understanding, they didn't raise the prices in the upper bowl.
51:10They raised a lot of premium prices.
51:12And I think part of the problem, too, was this season there was only nine home games
51:17because of the game in London.
51:19Next year there's ten home games, including the preseason.
51:22So, the price automatically, the number on your invoice was automatically higher
51:29because of that extra game.
51:30So, I think there was sticker shock when people opened the invoice.
51:33It was, oh, my God, my price just jumped by this much,
51:37but there's an extra game next year.
51:39Actually, there was probably more like there wasn't the game this year.
51:42So, yeah, I understand the frustration,
51:46and, like, I give season ticket holders a lot of credit
51:48because I don't know how they do it.
51:50I just, from, even if the team was good, I don't know if I could do it.
51:54Like, the traffic, the stadium experience,
51:58the money you have to spend in the stadium, you know, is very difficult.
52:03So, yeah, I get the frustration.
52:05But I also, I kind of, like, I do think the price is going to keep going up.
52:10That's just the way it is.
52:12Certainly looks like it.
52:14Kaz, we appreciate you, brother.
52:16Enjoy the bye week.
52:17We'll catch you next week, man.
52:18And we'll preview a little Jets versus Browns and see how it works.
52:23Well, deadline, we'll talk about it.
52:25We'll see what happens on the deadline.
52:26That's true.
52:26We'll keep our eyes peeled for your coverage throughout the trade deadline as well.
52:29Thank you, Kaz, and we'll catch you next time.
52:31All right, buddy?
52:31All right, guys.
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