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00:00He should never, with this iteration of the Warriors, be a not-DMP.
00:05He can play bad, just like the rest of them.
00:08Why is he not playing?
00:10I don't get it!
00:12I don't!
00:14All righty.
00:15Why didn't Richard play the last two or three games?
00:17He's not Richard!
00:18Now, back to Stiney and Guru on 95.7 The Game.
00:23All right, Willard and Dibs in the house.
00:25It is The Crossover on 95.7 The Game.
00:28Will, I'm Goof.
00:29No, I want, do you know what I wish?
00:33I wish everybody got to know you the way that we do.
00:36Oh!
00:37Like, uh, dances when we go back.
00:39I think we do.
00:40No, we do.
00:41But they don't.
00:42I didn't think about you when you heard that.
00:44Oh, boy.
00:45But they don't get to see, for instance, what we just saw.
00:48I don't get it!
00:50They get to hear that, but they don't hear or see.
00:54We had a great, provocative, that was some real stuff.
00:57Oh, we've all seen it.
00:58Fellowship before.
00:58We've all heard it.
00:59Yeah, absolutely.
01:00I just wish people got to see that you even surprise yourself.
01:04Stiney presses the buttons without doing it.
01:06Dibs, you know, I'm his lab rat, but he knows what he's doing.
01:0951 weeks.
01:10I mean, what a run.
01:11It's authentic, though.
01:12It was fun because I was actually pushing his buttons during that time,
01:15which was, uh, there was a lot of buttons being pushed,
01:17but it was COVID anyway.
01:18I got to give you two an award.
01:20I'm in the lab last night, the lights off, just got out to shower.
01:24It's five o'clock.
01:24I'm like, let me hear him.
01:26And you guys are truly the true detectives, just your natural way of not taking no for
01:32our answer, but just, we're going to ask you, and we're going to ask you this.
01:35That way, it's thorough.
01:37And Steve Kerr was awesome.
01:39Awesome.
01:39But what bothers me about everything, slightly, is we get a soundbite today or news.
01:46You got it, Stiney.
01:47Here we go.
01:48We're doing fine.
01:49I mean, this is part of.
01:51No, not that part.
01:52I just love that.
01:53The J.K.'s now thought out and available tomorrow because of what he's done in practice.
01:58And my whole thing is, I'm not defending any player.
02:02He should never be in the freezer.
02:04That's all I guess my thing.
02:06Like, he should never be an afterthought.
02:08God, that's a fair opinion.
02:12That's why you involved in practice.
02:13I think most people have.
02:15Two things come to mind.
02:16First one, your super duper special rant today.
02:21Can I speak to you on this for a second?
02:24Do we have it?
02:25Do we have it?
02:26Do you have like the super special guru freak out rant from today?
02:29I mean, which one?
02:30It's all over the internet.
02:31Guru rants on children.
02:33You love them all the same.
02:36That's my line.
02:37You're squeezing the sides of your head that you don't understand why Jonathan Kaminga gets DMPs.
02:43I didn't know where that came from, man.
02:45I know.
02:45That's what I'm trying to tell people.
02:47You go to a different place and then you surprise yourself.
02:51When you listen back to it, you get very uncomfortable.
02:53Yeah, no doubt.
02:54But you shouldn't.
02:55Anyway, do we have it or no?
02:56We do?
02:57No?
02:57Yes?
02:57No?
02:59What's that?
03:00Okay.
03:00All right.
03:01Yeah.
03:01I guess it's the one.
03:02I didn't have my headsets on.
03:03The one we just played coming back from now.
03:06Yeah, we can play that one again.
03:08Do we have that one?
03:08Yes.
03:09Do we have it or not?
03:11We have it.
03:12But anyway, here's what I, when I'm driving around, what I wanted to say.
03:18Okay, tell me.
03:19You could have texted me.
03:20I completely, completely get if the whole thing angers people.
03:26I really do.
03:26I get it.
03:28But when you say that, like, Jonathan is not playing because he didn't play well
03:35and other players, they get to not play well and still play,
03:41my thought is, I think Steve has been trying to tell the public for a year
03:46and a half now.
03:47Okay.
03:48It's not about just if Jonathan doesn't play well.
03:52It feels to me like it's the way he doesn't play well when he doesn't play well.
03:59And there was that story last year where the organization lost its cookies
04:05because in Portland.
04:06I was watching that game.
04:08Curry looked over, like, what is going on?
04:10He looked off a wide open Steph Curry and went to the rack
04:15and missed that patented fall away.
04:17There's a price to pay for that.
04:19That's what I think it is.
04:20So you're saying it's not bad play.
04:22You don't have to agree with that.
04:24I don't even really agree with that.
04:26I wouldn't DNP Jonathan Kaminga, but I don't think it's that black and white
04:32of, like, you didn't play well, so now you have to sit three games
04:36while Pods or Spencer or Buddy can go out there and they can go one for six
04:42and they're right back in the lineup the next day.
04:44Is that a little bit of a –
04:46No.
04:46And I'm going to take a playoff after this.
04:49That was – you illustrated that perfectly.
04:52But can you admit in my world, and I'm not – it's not right or wrong,
04:56that I think what you just described, and if there are other people like me
05:00that feel that way, that's why some people are down on Pods
05:03and they shouldn't be because they feel he's getting something
05:07that Kaminga or Moody didn't get years ago.
05:10100%.
05:11There's no doubt that I believe there's a correlation there, and it's unfair.
05:15Pods, in a way, is just catching a huge strike.
05:18And he ain't playing as bad as people are saying he's playing.
05:20The only thing that he's done wrong is he says stupid stuff.
05:23And, man.
05:24That's all he – I mean, he says stuff that's just kind of like an eye roll.
05:28I don't want to hear – this city does not want to hear you come in
05:31and say you're going to be better than Steph Curry.
05:33That's just dumb.
05:34It does you no favors.
05:37But is that that big of a deal?
05:38It's a turnoff.
05:39Yeah, totally.
05:40To me, what's going to be the fascinating part of the Kaminga thing
05:43is when he is on another team.
05:45Because I know it's easy to talk about, okay, well, yeah,
05:49he may average 23, but they won't be good.
05:52Or, you know, he'll –
05:54But the thing that I'm going to be looking for when he goes to another team
05:58is what his new teammates think of him and his game.
06:04Will Jonathan Kaminga go to his next team wanting to be the best top three player
06:11with that kind of role?
06:13Will he go on the team and kind of feel his way around?
06:16I don't know.
06:17Will he play 25 games and the guys go, well, I see what they were talking about
06:21in Golden State.
06:22Or will he play 25 games and they say, well, Golden State missed the boat on this guy.
06:29That's kind of what I'm – that's the next chapter for me that I'm interested in
06:33with Kaminga to see what happened here by viewing what happens at his next place.
06:39It depends on who he goes and plays with, and it depends on what that team is.
06:43And I think a little bit with Kaminga about Kyle Kuzma, Kyle Kuzma, where, you know,
06:50he was a Laker and he was kind of a role player.
06:53He was a fringe guy.
06:54He was a bench guy.
06:55He was good.
06:56And then he went out and got on his own and he had the ha-ha and he started to cook
07:00and his percentages went down and his teams didn't win.
07:04But he's a good player.
07:05Kaminga to me feels a little bit more like Kyle Kuzma.
07:08That's a good – wow.
07:09That's an interesting comparison.
07:10Yeah, and I think that, you know –
07:12Shoot as much as you want in D.C.
07:13We ain't winning nothing.
07:14Yeah, go crazy.
07:15Go crazy.
07:15You know, give us, you know, 18 to 21 a night and, you know, occasionally he'll go for 37
07:19and whatever and, you know, we'll be 22 and 60 and that's all fine.
07:24Now he's on Milwaukee.
07:26Yeah.
07:27I mean, back to a role spot.
07:29You'd love him, right?
07:30No, I like his – I think he's got an offensive package.
07:33Hey, I wanted to double back because Donnie was having fun.
07:36When I said – and I love you for asking Kerr, was it personal?
07:39Did personal – does that come off as hate?
07:41Because I didn't mean – when I – I'm just talking to everybody.
07:44When I say I think it's personal, that – I hope I wasn't illustrating,
07:48oh, I think Kerr hates Kaminga.
07:50No, I don't think – hate is a very strong word.
07:53I took that as if you think it's personal, then that means it's not about basketball.
07:58That's how I took it.
08:01And that would be my definition.
08:03And that would be – that's malpractice.
08:07That's malpractice.
08:09Do you want to know what –
08:10I mean, it would almost be – like, seriously, it would almost be like,
08:12you know why he's not playing?
08:14Because he likes Trump and I don't.
08:16Like, something almost like that.
08:18Absolutely.
08:18You know what I mean?
08:19Absolutely.
08:20If you – like –
08:20He's got a –
08:21I'm just saying, that to me would be personal.
08:26Absolutely.
08:26Right, right.
08:27Like, something other than basketball.
08:28The Giants would put, like, seven people in the field.
08:30Anyway.
08:32That's a four.
08:33Anyway.
08:34Yeah, and therefore, like, if you're willing to make your basketball team lesser –
08:39Right.
08:39– because you have some sort of an agenda or a dislike for a person.
08:45And you know what doesn't get talked about enough in this whole thing is Curry.
08:49Like, I –
08:50We came in this morning and the Boston study were thinking about Curry.
08:54The Internet is all just –
08:56Oh, what's it saying?
08:56Well, no, everybody's mad right now, right?
08:59Everyone's frustrated.
09:00I think Steve Kerr is catching the most.
09:03Pods, as I just said, is the representative player of what feels like this movement that
09:08people think is out there.
09:10And so you've got this major controversy about Kerr, rotations, his – plays favorites.
09:16Now you have that Will Richard quote about, like, he's not playing because he's a rookie.
09:21I kind of like that.
09:22I understood that.
09:24Everybody's got, like, this – it's a controversial thing.
09:27And I'm like, even go backwards.
09:30Draymond doesn't get punished.
09:31Jordan Poole gets traded.
09:33We can do all that.
09:34Y'all realize that Steph signed off on all of it.
09:38Wow.
09:39Steve Kerr's the coach because that's who Steph wants as the coach.
09:46And I'm okay with the coach.
09:47Well, then, I figure you've got one of two choices, Angry Warrior fan.
09:53You either need to stand down or you need to lump Steph into the criticism.
10:02Pick.
10:02Wow.
10:04Well, I'll take it a little –
10:06I'm mad at that.
10:06I'll take it a little step further.
10:08The narrative now seems to be, well, Draymond talked him out of getting Markkinen.
10:14He said it.
10:14Right?
10:15Yeah.
10:16I mean, essentially, so now –
10:17Yeah, that was like 100 picks, though, too.
10:19Yeah, no, I know.
10:20I know.
10:20And he was saying, yeah, he was saying don't do too much for a guy who's not a star.
10:25But, you know, you just look at that on face level, and, yeah, they have sway here,
10:30Steph and Draymond still.
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10:42Dibs, I need your help.
10:44Okay.
10:45You guys, this is back to your interview with Kerr yesterday.
10:48Okay.
10:48And I'm not going to skip Bayless, and I said this earlier on the show.
10:51I just want you and Willard Stotts, because Stani shared with me his.
10:55I'm just a sports romantic.
10:56I just, I think communication is key, and I'm not trying to make a divide, but I think
11:04there are some, there's some going on at Warrior's Way in regard to, I think I want
11:08to go A, and I want to go Route B, and I let you go A.
11:11But when Kerr said Raymond came to him, and I know it's R-Double's job to explain the email,
11:18I'm sitting back, pops in the Navy for 30 years, and I thought to myself, if that were
11:23me and I was Joe, I guess I would send a text or just, hey, can I see you in my office?
11:29And I would be the one to tell him what I meant by that email that can get misconstrued
11:36and blow up amongst the fans and the jackals, but Kerr's presidential, but the fact that
11:41he said Raymond told him about it and what was, I go, where was the, and it may happen,
11:47I don't know, but just the romantic in me is him and, like, Joe didn't say, hey, Steve,
11:52I didn't mean nothing by the email, or that makes me think, well, maybe you kind of put
11:57some crumbs out there that you wanted.
11:58Well, and that's why Raymond Ritter is, what, at the VP level, or is he at the P level?
12:04I mean, he's at that level.
12:05Yeah, the president, right under the president.
12:07He's that guy.
12:08So, I mean, if that happens, and, you know, he either sees it, I'm sure he sees it, because
12:12it's Raymond Ritter, he misses nothing, and then he goes to Steve right away, he doesn't
12:16need Joe to say, hey, Raymond, go ahead and handle this for me, because I'm embarrassed
12:20about what I emailed, whatever.
12:22It all goes through the organization, and it all goes through Raymond Ritter, because he is
12:26that dude, and, you know, Steve answered yesterday, he's like, yeah, we're fine, we're fine, and
12:32I believe that, like, he doesn't talk to Joe, and that's where I followed up, I'm like, you
12:35know, is Joe, because fans are saying that Joe's involved, like, how involved is Joe in,
12:40like, the day-to-day, like, you know, you need to play JK, or you don't need to play Will
12:44Richard, and, you know, Steve said, I talk to him maybe every couple of weeks, but I talk
12:49to Dunleavy every day.
12:50Every day, sometimes twice.
12:52Yeah, I also think, and this is just a perception, don't you feel like Joe Lake is not about to
12:57apologize for anything, because he just emailed a fan that he's working on it.
13:03I think he's antsy right now.
13:04He's not going to call Steve Carr and be like, I want to make sure you know what I mean.
13:08I got you.
13:08He's probably like, bleep you, I said what I said, I'll email it again, put it on the internet
13:13twice if you want.
13:14I really, he's antsy right now.
13:17Well, I also think that kind of what he put out there wasn't a big deal.
13:21Like, I know, coaches desire.
13:24Coaches are desiring stuff, and the players aren't delivering, or could be interpreted a
13:30million ways.
13:31But he also was in, like, two minutes after the game fan mode, and we have to remember
13:35that about Joe Lake.
13:36Do we know it was after a game?
13:38I didn't know that part of it.
13:38No, it was after the game.
13:40It was after the game against Portland where they...
13:42Oh, I didn't know that.
13:43Yeah, it was on Sunday.
13:44I knew he got back to the guy quickly, but I didn't know the guy...
13:46Two minutes later.
13:47Oh, wow.
13:47It was Sunday night, so...
13:48I didn't know how far after the game was the email sent.
13:51It was, I think, maybe a half hour.
13:53I don't know the exact time, but I do know that it was post-game, and Joe Lakeb was, I
13:58mean, clearly hot because, yeah, he's an owner, he's a billionaire, whatever he is.
14:03The one thing we know about Joe is he is a ferocious competitor, and Steve said that yesterday.
14:08I got the timestamp.
14:09It's right here.
14:09The email was sent to Joe at 8.44 p.m. Sunday night.
14:15That's right after the game.
14:16The game was at 6.
14:17It's at 6, yeah.
14:18Oh, man.
14:19So it's not even a half hour.
14:21Temperature on 1,000.
14:22Right.
14:23No doubt.
14:23Everybody was super mad.
14:24Hey, Joe, let's take advantage of that 10-minute cooling off period.
14:29And that's why...
14:29Locker room should have been closed, Joe.
14:31That's why his response was like three-word fragments.
14:35They weren't really like sentences.
14:36Can you mix in a verb, Joe?
14:38Thank you, fan, for taking the time to respond.
14:41I appreciate having fans like you being so engaged.
14:44It was three words, pow, pow, pow, pow.
14:48What's he doing checking email?
14:49Yeah, that was...
14:50I mean, is that what you do when you get mad?
14:53He must have alerts on.
14:54Some people do, like, I start cleaning.
14:57Oh.
14:58Right?
14:58If the kids tick me off...
15:00Yeah.
15:00Yeah, sure.
15:02Right, this counter-down.
15:03I'll take a shower, Will.
15:04I'll take a shower, try to start over there.
15:07Maybe Joe checks email.
15:08Yeah.
15:08I don't know how.
15:09I go out and I garden.
15:11Look at him.
15:11You're pulling weeds.
15:12Like, you're just pulling weeds and, you know, you're trimming this and you're cutting
15:16that and you're raking.
15:17Yeah.
15:18Gardening.
15:18Yeah, I usually go out and clean up the backyard from the dog stuff and...
15:22Yep.
15:23That way I can walk in the house and say, does anybody else do this?
15:27Exactly.
15:27No.
15:27There you go.
15:28The answer is no.
15:29Am I the only one that watched the cup game?
15:30And the Knicks said they're not going to hang the banner?
15:33I didn't even know that it was a cup game.
15:35Yeah.
15:35I can't believe that the NBA hasn't, like...
15:38I don't know.
15:39I read a conspiracy theory to where this is load management and that's why we got less
15:44games and that's what the cup really means.
15:46And I thought about it like...
15:47Well, less games in this pocket.
15:50Yeah.
15:51Well, those two teams are going to end up playing 83 games, right?
15:54Correct.
15:54The ones that go.
15:55It's been a complete and total miss.
15:59I won't call it a disaster because whatever.
16:01But it's been a complete and total miss.
16:04And I don't know...
16:06Wouldn't we say that if the Dubs were in it?
16:08Yes.
16:08I do.
16:09Absolutely.
16:10Dibs knows.
16:11I root against them getting in it.
16:12Bottom line, here's the other thing.
16:14Wow.
16:14I don't want them to play an extra game.
16:16They can't play the games they've got.
16:18Let me ask the room, and I would bet a thousand bucks with each of you that you don't know
16:23the answer.
16:25Who won the NIT last year?
16:27Oh, God.
16:28I have no idea.
16:30I'm saying Colorado State.
16:32I think it was...
16:32Why would you just like...
16:33Nebraska.
16:34Nebraska.
16:34Nebraska.
16:35These are all fun answers.
16:36I actually don't know.
16:37Oklahoma State.
16:38But the cup, as much as I love the cup...
16:40But I know who won last year, though.
16:41And I don't really love the cup.
16:42I just love the cup because it bugs my partner that I love the cup.
16:45The NIT is like the cup.
16:48Like, you won the NIT, or the CBI, or the CBT, or whatever you won.
16:53It was Seton Hall.
16:54Of course it was.
16:55The Pirates.
16:56Yeah, Seton Hall defeated...
16:57Oh, wait, no.
16:58Andrew Gaines.
16:58Hold on.
16:59Check it.
16:59That was 2024.
17:01See?
17:01We won it last year.
17:02Yeah, 2025.
17:03Louisville.
17:04Oh.
17:06Chattanooga.
17:07The Nugues.
17:08Wow.
17:08Defeating UC Irvine, which is where my sister and her husband both went.
17:13I didn't even know they were in it.
17:14Yeah, they got snubbed by the tourney committee.
17:17I wonder if...
17:18What was his name?
17:19What's their nickname?
17:20Russell Turner is still coaching it.
17:23Oh, no.
17:23We call him Russ.
17:25No, you're right.
17:26Irvine.
17:26Yeah.
17:26Which one?
17:27You see Irvine.
17:28What's their nickname?
17:29The NITers.
17:29The NITers.
17:30Wow.
17:31Anybody know what the Chattanooga is?
17:34The Nugues.
17:35No, it's the...
17:36No, they're the Moccasins.
17:37That's correct.
17:38Wow.
17:38Good one, Dibs.
17:39Well, when you've done play-by-play in the SOCOM, the Southern Conference, as I have,
17:44I did one game.
17:45Yeah.
17:46I got fired by this company.
17:48Yeah.
17:49Shout out CEO coming tomorrow.
17:50I'll tell her that story if I'm given the opportunity.
17:53But during that time...
17:54Better have somebody write it down.
17:55...somebody actually reached out because their play-by-play guy had to do a football game,
17:59so they needed somebody to be an analyst.
18:01Come on.
18:01So, they called me.
18:03So, I did one game of Wofford basketball at Stanford.
18:06So, ever since then, I'm an honorary SOCON member.
18:10Oh, nice.
18:11The Terriers.
18:13Look at you.
18:14All right.
18:14That's Wofford.
18:15Okay.
18:16And I think it's Wofford?
18:17Is that it?
18:17It's Wofford, yes.
18:18Wofford.
18:18Not Wofford.
18:19Yeah.
18:20I was thinking my guy Henry Wofford.
18:21Just, by the way, congratulations on your cute little win down the hall this morning.
18:25Thank you, Dibs.
18:25Thank you very much.
18:26I thought you spent too much time on it, but I was happy for it.
18:29We've got a lot of text.
18:30He was happy for himself, too.
18:32Super happy.
18:33Saren Vinny.
18:34Yeah.
18:34That's a good performance.
18:35But Sam Lubman said he was the first guy here at the station that won it.
18:38But he wasn't.
18:39Because he doesn't run the game.
18:41Saren Vinny run the game, and they said, I'm the only 95-7 the game guy who's won.
18:47That's what they said.
18:48And he's really happy.
18:49Yes, I am.
18:50I'm going to call you.
18:51You think Dibs didn't bask in jeopardy?
18:53Jockperty?
18:54Jockperty.
18:55Well, him and Vontae, that was the one that we didn't get to see.
18:58And we never will.
18:59Well, I'm going to call you a siacin from now on because you're a boomer.
19:04All right.
19:04You're not Gen X.
19:06I always wanted to be a boomer, but I'm not old enough.
19:13Even though my siblings are old enough, and you're the same age as my brother and sister,
19:17born the same year, you're a boomer.
19:19By the way, I think I met your brother's son.
19:24Richard.
19:24Yeah.
19:25Great kid.
19:26Phenomenal.
19:26But why do you think and not know?
19:28Because I might have met him before a long time ago, but I didn't see him.
19:31But he golfed with us, yeah.
19:32He wasn't in our force.
19:33You were not at Peacock, and he actually played there.
19:35He won at Peacock.
19:36Did he?
19:37In the fall series, yeah.
19:38But fun.
19:39One of the problems I have, real quick, Dibs, with the cup, is clearly Silver wants the whole
19:48league and all the employees to build it up.
19:51For sure.
19:51And now I feel like half the league ain't playing it, and half the league is like, all right,
19:59we'll make it seem like it's important.
20:02And like, there's no agreement on it.
20:05Like Joe Lacob, when they, Fitz, hey, what about the cup?
20:10Hit the pike, Fitz, about the cup.
20:13You know, now the league's mad because the Knicks aren't going to hang the batter.
20:16I wouldn't hang the batter either.
20:17Oh, and now, actually, I don't know if this is like reverse FOMO.
20:20I don't know if you saw, there's now a movement by the Laker fan base to take down the banner
20:28that they have already put up.
20:29What are you saying to Silver in the league?
20:31It's called JOMO.
20:32Exactly.
20:33Joy of missing out.
20:34What are you saying to the commissioner that this is not a thing?
20:40Wow.
20:40You can, like, do not tell us something's a thing if it's not a thing.
20:44They've got to figure out a way to make it more important, like, in the standings within
20:51the league.
20:52To the fans.
20:53And to the fans.
20:54We talked about the fix, which would be, and my idea was, automatic seed elevation.
20:59So if you wind up, you win the cup, and you're the 11th seed, up, you get the 10th seed.
21:05Sorry, 10th seed.
21:06They won the cup.
21:07You get bumped.
21:08You're the 7th seed.
21:10You're the 8th seed.
21:11You know what?
21:116th seed?
21:12Sorry.
21:12They won the cup.
21:13They're now a playoff team.
21:14So in theory, had the Spurs won the cup, they could have been the number one seed in the
21:20Western Conference this year, over the Thunder.
21:23If they finish second, yes.
21:24If they finish fifth, you're the 4th seed.
21:27You get seed elevation.
21:29Right, so if they finish second, they jump to first.
21:32Right, but if you finish seventh, you jump to sixth.
21:35So now you're out of the playoff.
21:36That's kind of hard to steal the one seed from a team that wins 75 games, though.
21:40You know what, though?
21:40Or something like that.
21:41You know what I mean?
21:42Win the cup.
21:43Win the damn cup.
21:45You want to make it matter?
21:47You make it matter.
21:47Yeah, I get it.
21:48What if you did it in the reverse direction?
21:51Instead of seed elevation, what if it just guaranteed you no worse than the 6th?
21:57I mean, that's fine, but if you finish out of the 6th, you get the 6th.
22:01So you wind up 17 and 65, and now you're the 6th seed?
22:05Yep.
22:06Win the cup.
22:06Well, for me, it would be more fair to, all right, you're the 10th seed.
22:10We're going to let you in the play-in.
22:12We're not going to go.
22:13It's not going to be a full elevation sensation.
22:16I'm open to anything.
22:17I'm just not open to what they're doing now.
22:19How about, as a way to shorten the schedule, and yet not, cup games are worth two wins
22:27and two losses.
22:28Look at you.
22:28Each.
22:29See, now we're joke.
22:30It's joke territory.
22:31So now you only play 78 games.
22:35Man.
22:36You'd have to figure it out.
22:37But you know what I'm saying?
22:38I like it.
22:39Before we get out of here.
22:39You're not an outside-the-box thinker.
22:41I didn't expect you to like it.
22:41Before we get out of here, we had a blow-up.
22:43Evan was part of it.
22:44I don't know if we'll recover.
22:45You guys?
22:46Yeah.
22:47Over Kobe Bryant.
22:48Where does he rank to you just as a basketball player?
22:52What do you mean versus who?
22:53Just anybody.
22:54Like, where is he?
22:55All-time?
22:56All-time.
22:57Yeah.
22:57Like, he's one of the greatest wingmen.
23:01I mean, like, yeah.
23:03He's one of the greatest wingmen.
23:04Sure.
23:05Now, tell him what you said.
23:06What did you say?
23:07Evan thinks he's deaf.
23:08I don't think he's a top three player of all time.
23:09And Evan thinks he's deaf.
23:10I'm paraphrasing.
23:11And made him, people, you know, love him more than, I said, no, on the court, the dude's
23:16a God, man.
23:17To me, dibs.
23:18There's a little bit of truth to all of that.
23:20Kobe did a wonderful, wonderful job.
23:22Five rings.
23:23No, no, no.
23:23I know, but the perception of Kobe Bryant, when he was in the latter stages of his career.
23:31They brought it up.
23:31Yeah.
23:32Kobe Bryant was like, Kobe Bryant was kind of a teammate killer sometimes.
23:37And you would have as many Laker fans down there who loved him, but they also still to
23:41this day bemoan the fact that Kobe and Shaq couldn't stay together longer and win more
23:46rings because they couldn't get along.
23:48So, Kobe did a brilliant job of rehabbing his image, both late in his career and after
23:55his career.
23:56We're talking about on the court, yeah.
23:57But that has elevated him.
23:59His final year in LA.
24:00Oh, it was a disaster.
24:02Not only that, Guru, it might be the single worst offensive season in the history of the
24:07association.
24:08But that's late in the game.
24:09That's a stat.
24:10I'm judging him on his best day.
24:11But he scored 70.
24:13Grandy's got him in his top 20, top 50.
24:1581, I think.
24:16Well, no, 81 was 55.
24:18I wasn't hovering around 10.
24:2081 was an actual game.
24:21You didn't say that.
24:21Now I don't feel bad.
24:24I didn't know you had him in your top 10.
24:26Well, I didn't say top.
24:27I said hovering around.
24:28I have to make my list.
24:29But he ain't one, two, or three.
24:31If you paint the NBA Last Supper picture and you don't paint him in there, I mean, you
24:37can see that.
24:38Wait a minute, Guru.
24:39Do you have him top three?
24:41I got him right behind Mike.
24:42I do.
24:43So ahead of LeBron?
24:44Yeah.
24:45Oh, my gosh.
24:46And I got Shaq ahead of LeBron.
24:48And I got Curry in there.
24:50Curry went top five.
24:50So basically, you accused Kerr of being personal with Kaminga.
24:55You're actually personal with LeBron.
24:57That's the only way you could have Kobe over LeBron.
25:00Man.
25:00You need something personal against LeBron.
25:01LeBron's, I judge guys on their offensive repertoire, and LeBron didn't have it early.
25:08You mean the all-time leading scorer in NBA history?
25:10No, come on, man.
25:10More than Jabbar?
25:12I'm talking about steals.
25:13He's like fourth in assists, too, by the way.
25:15The guy's unbelievable.
25:16Jordan, Kobe, Steph, their footwork was like Fred Astaire.
25:20Now they're not dancing as opposed to who the best basketball player is.
25:24I'll let you guys hash this out.
25:26Not when Kobe was a baby.
25:27I'll let you guys hash this out.
25:29I'm over it.
25:30On 95.7.
25:31I'm over it.
25:32Okay.
25:33Stanley's got a jacket on.
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