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00:30And then, as I absolutely hooked, by the end of that, I was like, they have done it again.
00:37But you'll want to talk about the twist in a minute, I'm sure.
00:41We'll probably bring it up, I'd imagine.
00:44But that just is taking it to a new level.
00:46Totally, yeah. Total new level.
00:49This time round, there is a secret traitor.
00:51Not even the traitors know who they are, and we do not know who they are, as we are watching.
00:55So everyone watching now is a faithful, because we need to work out who this traitor is.
01:01Yes.
01:02So you've got a theory I hear, Lucy.
01:04When we watched it together, I just had to ask the group,
01:07did they say that the secret traitor was one of that cast?
01:10Because it could be Claire Balding.
01:12So you think it's not only a secret traitor, it's someone secret within the castle.
01:20You think Claire Balding is hiding something, maybe in the suit of armour, and she's going to pop out.
01:24Well, I did say, I said publicly online that I think Claire Balding will come back.
01:29Yeah.
01:29And then, you can imagine how I felt when they said there's a secret traitor.
01:33Yeah.
01:34And in the cloak, when it was walking, it did look like Claire Balding's walk.
01:39And I thought, that's why you made me move up, because she's going to sit here.
01:43So you thought, we are going to reveal the identity of the secret traitor in this episode of Uncloaked,
01:49and it's going to be Claire Balding.
01:50Yeah, I'm just so glad they've done this, because, you know, it's so, you won't know this,
01:55but it's so infuriating when people are like, how did you not know?
01:59Yeah.
01:59I feel you with that one.
02:00It's time for the public to play this game and realise how hard it is.
02:04What was your instant thought when you saw the twist, Mina?
02:07Can I be honest?
02:07Yeah.
02:08I was fuming, because that screams Mina energy down to a tee.
02:13I want to be in the red cloak.
02:14But then we were saying as well, that they're going to be so anxious,
02:17because even for them, it's not a comfortable, safe situation.
02:21They've not got the support of at least two other traitors when they get to the round table.
02:25Yeah.
02:25They're by themselves.
02:26Yeah.
02:26So everybody's going to be feeling anxious now.
02:29You know, before it was like, the traitors have got the upper hand.
02:31Yeah.
02:31Traitors have now got to guess about the secret one,
02:34but then the secret one's going to be anxious because they're out there on their own,
02:38and obviously all the faithfuls are anxious anyway.
02:39So, it's just good telling.
02:42Would you have been angry as a traitor if you found out there's a secret traitor?
02:45You get there, you're like, as a traitor, you think, I want to be picked, I want to be picked.
02:49Then you get picked, and then you find out someone else is running the show,
02:53and you're limited to who you can murder because the secret traitor ultimately gives you the options.
02:58All the power's gone.
03:00All the power's gone in the turret.
03:01Hugo's not a happy buy.
03:04He is not happy.
03:05It's funny, though, because they get everything they wanted.
03:07Like, they've obviously, they've made it to the show, which is amazing.
03:10They've been able to be a traitor, which they want to do,
03:12and now it's like snatched away from them.
03:14That power's gone, and I love it.
03:17I'm happy about the Hugo situation,
03:19because when he said before that he was a psychopathic teddy bear,
03:22I was like, this is what you want to happen to a psychopathic teddy bear.
03:25Take away all the toys, and they go mental.
03:28Yeah, I mean, he had it all planned, didn't he?
03:30I've got a hug in my name, but if you get too close, I'll stab you in the back.
03:33And then he became a traitor.
03:34You must have been so happy about it, and then suddenly the rug's pulled.
03:37Yeah.
03:37Do we have any speculative theories so far as to who the secret traitor might be?
03:41We've only had one episode, but has anyone spotted anything?
03:44We thought Amanda would be great.
03:45Yeah.
03:46And we also all warmed to Judy.
03:49I love my mum, but I would also happily have Judy as my mum.
03:53Yeah.
03:53Love you, Mum.
03:54So I feel like she'd be a really good person
03:56in kind of like a motherly, instinctive way,
03:59and then if she's pulling all the strings behind the scenes,
04:01although they are slightly on tour already, yeah.
04:03Yeah, this is it.
04:04Did we spot Judy's head turn at the round table?
04:07Not another head turn.
04:08Oh, no.
04:08There was a little bit of a Linda moment.
04:10Really?
04:10Yeah, to the word traitors, yeah.
04:12Oh.
04:13So if Judy is the secret traitor, she's not done a great job of keeping it secret so far.
04:17I really hope the secret traitor gets far, because I just think it's fun.
04:21Yeah.
04:21Like, it is fun, and it's like added such another layer to the game.
04:25Imagine if, like, Judy's the first to go and that's it.
04:27I think Jessie could be the secret traitor.
04:29Yeah.
04:29I don't know why, I think, when she was speaking on the train,
04:33she just really, like, I don't know, I connected with her,
04:35and I thought she could be a good traitor, and she said she wanted to be a traitor.
04:39Yeah.
04:39They all seem to this year.
04:40Yeah, yeah.
04:41I feel like everyone just wants to be conniving.
04:43It's great.
04:43But that makes it so hard to work out who the secret traitor is, right?
04:46Because there's so many discussions in the gold chats
04:48where everyone says they want to be a traitor.
04:50You're like, well, who could it be?
04:51Amanda, I thought, potentially a good secret traitor.
04:54I think a terrible secret detective, because I'm watching Amanda,
04:57and I'm thinking, I'd know you were a copper as soon as I meet you.
05:00Yeah, she's, like, central casting, like, lead in the bill.
05:04Yeah.
05:06I'm surprised they've not done any sort of shots of just her feet
05:09walking across the gravel.
05:10Maybe that's the walk she was getting confused with.
05:12Yeah, maybe.
05:13That's who you think Claire is.
05:15Does Claire boarding walk like a bulletproof?
05:18They have, obviously, like, a couple of people mentioned
05:22Jade looked nervous.
05:24And then, obviously, they showed Jade, but, you know,
05:27you don't know whether they're just, it's a red herring.
05:30But it would make sense that you're seeing the secret traitor a lot
05:36within this episode.
05:38And she did, she did look nervous.
05:39And being there, you know, you don't look nervous
05:44because it's, like, a relief, really.
05:47See, I disagree.
05:48I feel like I looked nervous.
05:49Oh, did you?
05:49I was nervous.
05:50I was petrified.
05:52Oh, really?
05:52Yeah.
05:52In case someone was, like, thought you was...
05:55I think I was just out of my depth a little bit, to be honest.
05:57Yeah.
05:57And I think, you know, you've signed yourself up for something
06:00to the unknown completely, really.
06:01Like, it's...
06:02I was probably just nervous in general.
06:05You're around loads of new people.
06:07So I don't know if it's fair to say, like, that nervousness is just because she's guilty.
06:13Because I was nervous as hell.
06:14Like, I've...
06:15But people obviously didn't pick up on that.
06:18Because obviously, even though you were nervous, people can still tell that's authentic
06:21and it's not for that reason.
06:23Yeah.
06:23And I suppose that it could be like that for Jade.
06:25I think maybe people just need to get to know her a little bit more.
06:28Maybe the people that don't know her so well are the ones kind of picking up on that energy.
06:31Yeah.
06:31Whereas if they've had a few chats with her, they might know she's a bit of a nervous person
06:34anyway.
06:35Yeah.
06:35Or we could be wrong, and it's her.
06:37We could.
06:38You know?
06:38Has anyone made any comments so far that you think, oh, they're a bit suspicious?
06:42They're a little bit...
06:43You're a bit on edge with them?
06:43I think James needs to be real careful.
06:46He is throwing names out left, right and centre.
06:48The point that he was doing, that was wild.
06:50It just...
06:51You need to be under the radar.
06:53Yeah.
06:54You do.
06:54And as much as you can get excited, especially when you feel something and you're sure it's
06:58right, just be careful with what she's saying, I think.
07:02I worry about Fiona.
07:04Yeah.
07:04Because of the mission.
07:05Mm.
07:06I think at that early on in the game, everyone's just holding on to any little thing that happens.
07:10Yeah.
07:11And that's like the only thing that's really happened.
07:13And I just think it was an accident.
07:15Or is she the secret traitor?
07:16What if she's putting all this on?
07:19What if she's not mixing anything up at all?
07:23What if it's like Willy Wonka when he comes out of the factory and he's on a walking stick
07:27and then he does a tumble?
07:29Exactly.
07:30Exactly.
07:30Fiona's going to start doing flips.
07:32Yeah.
07:33She's going to do flips in a red cloak.
07:35Now, we know who isn't the secret traitor because of the murder shortlist.
07:39Yes.
07:39We've got James, Nettie and Maz.
07:41Do you think there's anyone else, Jack, that we can rule out of being the secret traitor?
07:45Who's 100% faithful, essentially?
07:50It's funny because I feel like I trust Judy, but I literally want her to be the secret traitor.
07:54So my want and my actually thinking it may be a different thing.
07:58I want her to be, but I actually don't think she will be.
08:00I think she's faithful.
08:02And unfortunately, it's just sadly on the chopping block at the moment.
08:04Now, we don't know who the secret traitor is, but neither do the traitors themselves.
08:09They were very shocked when Claudia told them.
08:11Let's remind ourselves of that.
08:13I just had to pop in because I have a small confession.
08:17Oh, no.
08:21You are not the only traitors in this castle.
08:25At the round table, I picked one other traitor.
08:30The secret traitor.
08:32Oh, my God.
08:33You still have power, but not quite as much.
08:40Hugo was gutted, wasn't he?
08:43I think they all were a bit fuming, to be honest.
08:45I don't blame them.
08:46We also said it makes it even worse for the faithfuls
08:49because if you, as a faithful, end up directing some attention
08:54at one of the traitors, not actually knowing if they're a traitor or not,
08:57you're immediately going to look like the secret traitor to the traitors
09:01because obviously the secret traitor knows who the traitors are.
09:03So if you just happen to stumble as a faithful onto the right person
09:06and say in one of the traitors, you, even more than normal,
09:10maybe put more of a target on your back.
09:12But just because the traitors are going to want to get rid of you,
09:14so the secret traitor's gone.
09:15So do you think the secret traitor will be looking to knock out fellow traitors
09:20at this point in the game?
09:21Yeah, I think they're already showing that.
09:23You know, when they found out who the shortlist was,
09:27they all looked a bit perturbed, but they were like,
09:32why have they picked them?
09:33Like, we are, as if there's like, there's almost an agreement
09:35that these weren't people you needed to pick.
09:38And either that's just a fluke or the secret traitor's laying the stall out early
09:43of I'm not on your side and I'm not going to go with people I think you want to.
09:47As much as I think the secret traitor is against them,
09:50I don't necessarily think they're going to be trying to get rid of them just yet
09:53because there's no need.
09:54They're going to just recruit them.
09:55Do you know what I thought was interesting though, to Lucy's point?
09:58How come all three of them were annoyed at the shortlist?
10:02So surely there's something that the traitors have like cottoned onto
10:07or, you know, they would have picked three different names.
10:10So I think a part of me thinks the secret traitor has done that
10:14to maybe like make their lives a bit harder.
10:17The actual traitors?
10:18Because all three of them were like, why have they picked these people?
10:21Well, they had a discussion.
10:22They came to a sort of vague idea of who they might want to murder themselves.
10:26And then obviously it was completely different.
10:28I don't think there was any malice from the secret traitor
10:32picking those particular names.
10:33I just think they have very different ideas at this point.
10:35There's so many people, aren't they?
10:36True.
10:37So then there's maybe a chance that at some point
10:40the traitors start to work out who the secret traitor is.
10:44Is that what you mean?
10:45That's such a clever point because they'll throw the heat onto them
10:50and they'll be like, whoa, that's weird.
10:51But then can only mention it at the round table
10:54because they can't murder them at night.
10:56Such a clever game.
10:57It's so clever now.
10:59Who's part of this?
11:00It's good, this show, isn't it?
11:01Yeah, it's a good show.
11:02I can't live any more of my life in this headspace though.
11:05It's like, oh God, I've got other things to be doing.
11:09I can't be, I can't believe I've now got to work out who a secret traitor is.
11:15I've had months and months of this.
11:17I'm sorry we made you come on this, Lucy.
11:19Now I'm, can you just tell, who is it?
11:22I don't know, I've got no idea.
11:23Isn't it frustrating?
11:24Yeah, it is.
11:25Mina, if this had happened on your series,
11:27how would it have altered your gameplay as a traitor?
11:30I feel like you just go into panic mode
11:34because like you guys said, as a traitor,
11:36that's all you want to get picked.
11:38You get picked, I'm with them on Ian, Linda, fantastic.
11:41And then Claudia tells you actually,
11:43there's somebody else pulling the strings.
11:46I just think you'd have to try and keep everyone on side
11:50until you can work out who it is.
11:52It's the only thing that you can do.
11:54But then you don't know who it is.
11:55So then what if you try to spread rumours about them
11:58and they're like, okay, I think you know what you're doing?
12:01Your days are numbered.
12:03It's so hard.
12:04I just feel like you'd be so annoyed as a traitor.
12:07You think, I think Hugo actually said it,
12:10you want all the control as the traitor.
12:13And actually with their show,
12:15they haven't got all the control
12:17because there's this massive thing
12:18that they don't know about.
12:19We should talk about the new cohort
12:21of non-secret traitors.
12:23The traitors that we know about.
12:24How do we think Hugo's going to be as a traitor?
12:27Mina, what do you reckon?
12:28I think the other two are going to get rid of him.
12:32Yeah.
12:33That's what I think.
12:34I quite like him, to be honest.
12:35But I feel like Rachel and Stephen
12:37are synced up on how they want to play this game.
12:40And I think they'll work as a team.
12:42But I think Hugo's got the potential
12:44to potentially rub them up the wrong way.
12:47Therefore, they'll be like,
12:48you're not helping our plans to win as traitors.
12:51They already have said, haven't they,
12:54that they think if anyone's going to sneak out,
12:55it's Hugo out of the three of them.
12:57And Rachel even said she don't trust him.
12:59And she...
12:59Yes.
13:00And I think if you don't trust each other...
13:04Yeah, it's not going to work.
13:06Bye-bye.
13:07What do we think of Rachel as a traitor so far?
13:10Great.
13:11Good reaction faces to Storm.
13:12Yeah.
13:13Yeah, I'm enjoying watching her.
13:15I think she's going to go very, very far.
13:18I think she's a bit like you.
13:19Yeah.
13:20She's a shard from the start.
13:21Yeah.
13:22She seems in control,
13:23but in a very calm, measured way.
13:26And Hugo's, I think, relishing playing the part.
13:30Yes.
13:30Like calling Claudia the Queen of Darkness
13:32and all of this sort of stuff.
13:33He's just...
13:34He's ready for panto.
13:35Yeah.
13:36Yeah.
13:37He'd make a great dame.
13:38Yeah, he would.
13:40He's being very open about his job,
13:42being a barrister.
13:43And is that the sort of job
13:44that you would have thought
13:44maybe try and keep that secret?
13:46Definitely.
13:47I also think that he's going to really struggle
13:49not having all the power.
13:50Yeah.
13:51I think that he's going to...
13:52I think he's going to really, really find that hard
13:54because he went in there with that mindset.
13:56Yeah.
13:56And now it's flipped.
13:57I think it's flipped his whole game.
13:59Yeah.
13:59And, like, I think he's going to really struggle.
14:01Because, obviously,
14:02once you're a traitor,
14:04like, the whole thing is
14:05people not knowing who you are.
14:06So the fact that there's someone in that group
14:08who knows is scary.
14:11Yeah.
14:11And he strikes me as someone
14:13who has quite a lot of control
14:14and power in his life anyway.
14:16Yeah.
14:16He's scary, that, isn't he?
14:17So that's what he's used to.
14:18Yeah.
14:19Yeah.
14:19So to suddenly not have it,
14:20I think, is going to mess him up a little bit.
14:22Yeah.
14:23Yeah.
14:23And finally, Stephen,
14:24we should talk about Stephen.
14:25Very well-dressed.
14:25Best-dressed man on the show.
14:27Yeah.
14:27Totally.
14:27Yeah.
14:28Do we think that's going to help him as a traitor?
14:29Yes.
14:30Yes.
14:31People trust fashionable people.
14:32Yes.
14:33Don't they?
14:34Yeah, look at Jonathan Ross.
14:35He stayed for ages.
14:36He wasn't fashionable.
14:37Do you not think it was his looks
14:38that kept him in?
14:39I think these lot were like,
14:41do you know what?
14:41Let's just see what he's going to wear tomorrow.
14:43Wear tomorrow.
14:43Yeah.
14:43So we're not saying he's as fashionable as Stephen,
14:46but he was quirky.
14:48I think let's see what Jonathan's wearing tomorrow
14:50is different to fashionable.
14:51Okay.
14:52I agree.
14:53There was one thing he was wearing
14:54I thought it was alive.
14:58He sat next to me and I went,
15:00skunk in it,
15:02and he said,
15:03no, it's attached to my jacket.
15:06But yeah,
15:07Stephen seems very affable as well.
15:08I think people will naturally trust him.
15:10Yeah, yeah.
15:11He seems quite like warm.
15:12Very friendly,
15:13friendly, charming.
15:14I think he's going to probably go
15:15to the list out of the three.
15:17To describe him?
15:18Wholesome.
15:18Yep.
15:19He is wholesome.
15:19Yep.
15:20I think, like you said,
15:22everyone's going to trust him
15:23and therefore the faithful
15:25will doubt that he is a traitor.
15:26But I think Rachel trusts him
15:28and I think he's going to have Rachel's back.
15:30So they'll work well together.
15:31Yeah.
15:32Lucy, now,
15:33obviously you and the other faithful
15:34in your series
15:35struggled to catch traitors
15:37for quite a long time.
15:38Yeah.
15:38What do you think the chances are
15:40in this series
15:41of the traitors sneaking under the radar
15:42like Alan and Kat did?
15:44I don't think it's going to happen.
15:46I don't think it's going to happen with this.
15:48And I think,
15:48adding the secret trait,
15:51I think there's going to be
15:52a bigger turnover.
15:53I think they're going to get there.
15:55Molly,
15:55if you were in there
15:56as a faithful,
15:58is there anyone
15:59that you're suspicious of
15:59at this point?
16:00You're asking the wrong person.
16:02To be honest.
16:03Whoever she says,
16:04it's the opposite.
16:04Literally.
16:04Don't listen to me.
16:07Well,
16:07is there anyone in there
16:08that you'd trust
16:09and would be your best friend
16:10right until the end of the game?
16:11Oh, yeah,
16:12definitely.
16:12All three of the traitors.
16:16To be honest,
16:16at this stage,
16:17it's so early.
16:18Like,
16:19it really is.
16:20You don't know each other yet,
16:21which is the hardest thing
16:22because, like,
16:22it's hard to know
16:23if someone's slipping up
16:23like we talked about earlier.
16:24you don't know their personality
16:26so is that just them
16:27or is that them being guilty?
16:30I think once you kind of
16:31get to know people,
16:32you can pick up on things
16:33a lot better.
16:34Yeah.
16:34I say.
16:35But,
16:35I say,
16:37who would you write down
16:39on the first banishment?
16:41Whoever everyone else
16:42was writing down,
16:43to be honest.
16:43Would you?
16:44No.
16:44That Fiona thing
16:46doesn't help, does it?
16:46Like,
16:47what you were saying
16:47about the small little things
16:48to go on.
16:49Maybe you'd vote Fiona.
16:50If I was a faithful,
16:51that's the only thing
16:52that I've got to go off.
16:53Yeah.
16:53That's it.
16:55You sit at the table
16:56with pretty much no idea.
16:58You're obviously just going to
16:58take in everyone else's ideas
17:00and to be quite honest,
17:01you're scared yourself
17:02of looking dodgy
17:03so you're going to
17:03literally put
17:04kind of what the group's saying
17:06and also you need the group
17:07to work together
17:08to get someone out
17:09and someone has to go,
17:10unfortunately,
17:10so it kind of makes sense
17:11if you have no idea.
17:13Obviously,
17:13if you have an inkling,
17:14then yeah,
17:14it's good to bring it up.
17:15If you have no idea,
17:16then go with the group,
17:17I say.
17:18So,
17:19we've got a whole bunch
17:20of new players
17:21to get to know
17:21over the coming weeks
17:23so let's discuss
17:24a few of them here.
17:24We've got a lot of people
17:25with interesting jobs
17:26this series.
17:28we've obviously got
17:29a secret barrister,
17:31someone who is a barrister
17:32but keeping it secret
17:33in Harriet,
17:34but we've got Hugo
17:35who is an actual barrister.
17:37Or is he?
17:37Or being,
17:38and Hugo's being honest
17:39about being a barrister.
17:41Oh,
17:41so now you're worried
17:42that Hugo
17:42is pretending to be a barrister.
17:43He's a lollipop man.
17:45I think he's a Claire Balden
17:47impersonator.
17:48I love how this
17:49secret traitor thing
17:50has made none of you
17:51trust anything.
17:52Like,
17:53I don't believe him.
17:54Okay,
17:54well,
17:54I think I can tell you
17:56that Hugo
17:57is genuinely a barrister.
17:58It'd be a rubbish job
17:59to choose to lie about
18:00otherwise.
18:01Do you think that
18:01is going to draw
18:02suspicion to him?
18:03Yeah.
18:04Yeah,
18:04I think when people
18:05have got nothing
18:06you grab onto anything.
18:07Yeah.
18:08So you think it's smarter
18:09the thing that Harriet's doing
18:11which is concealing
18:11being a barrister?
18:12Yeah,
18:13or like what Leanne did.
18:14I just think
18:14do something that people
18:16see as more
18:16everyday relatable
18:17I think makes sense.
18:19And if she can keep it
18:20a secret that is.
18:21Do you know what I mean?
18:21she might slip up
18:22and I think that's
18:23another thing
18:24she's got to think about
18:25is you are lying
18:26in some way.
18:27And of course
18:28we have the massive
18:28secret relationship
18:29Judy and Roxy
18:30a mother and daughter.
18:32Yeah.
18:32Let's remind ourselves
18:33of when Roxy
18:34revealed the secret.
18:36Oh my gosh.
18:38James is running wild
18:39saying Judy is a traitor.
18:41I don't know
18:42if she's a traitor or not.
18:44Judy seems lovely
18:45but I'm bound to say that
18:47considering she's my mum.
18:51bloody hell
18:52will my mind scramble.
18:54Keeping it secret
18:55just because
18:56I think
18:56if you come in
18:58as a pair
18:58it's almost like
18:59an alliance.
19:00I feel super protective
19:01over her
19:02and hearing
19:04anyone like
19:05cast out on
19:06her for her actions
19:07is just generally
19:08not quite nice.
19:09So there we are.
19:10I mean I
19:11personally think
19:12that Roxy's already
19:13doing quite a bad job
19:14of concealing
19:14the relationship
19:15because there's been
19:16conversations
19:17where she is
19:18talking to Judy
19:18in such a way
19:19that only a daughter
19:20would talk to their mum.
19:21so going
19:21you're quite loud
19:22aren't you?
19:23It's like
19:23no you're supposed
19:24to have just met me.
19:26You've just met me.
19:26You're quite a loud lady
19:27aren't you?
19:28Of course
19:29that's your mum.
19:30And also giving her tips
19:31didn't she
19:31in front of people
19:32it wasn't kind of
19:33like pulling her off
19:33to the side
19:34because I know
19:35like Ross and Diane
19:35had little chats
19:36on the side
19:36like Ross said to her
19:38at breakfast that morning
19:38like mum
19:39sort yourself out
19:40kind of thing
19:41didn't he?
19:41But with this
19:42it was in front of someone
19:43and she was kind of like
19:44maybe go round to the group
19:45kind of giving her advice
19:47why are you giving
19:48another player advice
19:49at this point?
19:50It was also with DCI Amanda
19:52on all day.
19:53Yeah
19:54because I thought
19:55if I was Amanda
19:56and Amanda's not
19:57the secret traitor
19:58I was a thought
19:59Roxy are you the traitor
20:00because that's quite
20:01it's quite a weird thing
20:02to just say to someone
20:03you've met
20:03like 24 hours ago
20:05kind of thing
20:06yeah
20:06they're goners
20:06aren't they?
20:07Yeah
20:07Tomorrow they're going
20:09to come into breakfast
20:10and Judy's going to be
20:11cutting up Roxy's food for her
20:12Thanks mum
20:14here comes the aeroplane
20:16I didn't like them
20:19when they were
20:20accusing Judy
20:21because you instantly
20:22really like her
20:23and the fact that
20:23she's got a daughter
20:24and the job she does
20:26and stuff
20:26you feel quite protective
20:28so then
20:29I mean it would be
20:30clever twist
20:31if someone so sweet
20:32it's a secret
20:33And also
20:34it would be an interesting
20:34twist because
20:35she has a daughter in there
20:36Yes
20:37And again like
20:38I just think
20:39the secret traitor
20:40is just so mysterious
20:41that it being
20:41someone's mum
20:42is well on top of it
20:43it's like
20:43bam bam bam
20:44I hope it's Judy
20:46It would be good
20:47but
20:47not if they're going
20:48to get her out
20:49No no
20:49She needs to stay
20:50to the end
20:51Now
20:52the other major thing
20:53that happened
20:53in this episode
20:54for me
20:54was Nettie and Ross
20:55happened to know
20:56each other
20:56outside of the game
20:57Poor old Ross
20:58Ross was fuming
20:59He did not want
20:59that bomb drop
21:00No he didn't
21:01and this
21:01I mean this
21:01appears to be
21:02a genuine
21:03complete coincidence
21:04Yeah
21:04That they just
21:05happened to have
21:05met beforehand
21:06It's a long time
21:07ago as well
21:08It's not like
21:08a recent thing
21:09No
21:09And Nettie's like
21:10Nettie just runs
21:11like oh my god
21:12it's you
21:13And Ross is like
21:13whoa
21:13He's like whoa
21:14No
21:15No no
21:15Please
21:16I'm convinced
21:18that they're actually
21:19like brother and sister
21:20or like they're married
21:21because
21:21I don't know
21:23she was just
21:23he was like
21:25I think he said to her
21:26let's pretend we don't
21:27know each other
21:28and she wasn't listening
21:29so then she's just like
21:31forgot that they're supposed
21:32to not know each other
21:33and then she's done that
21:34and now he's like
21:35yeah we haven't known each
21:35we haven't seen her in 10 years
21:37and it's like
21:37you've seen her last night
21:38so it's just a bit like
21:39it's just like yes and
21:40it's just in
21:41yeah
21:41it's gone right
21:42let's just do whatever
21:43I think it is genuinely
21:44just a coincidence
21:44Me too
21:45And she's made the decision
21:46in that second
21:47she's not thought about it
21:48and she said oh
21:50hello
21:50we know each other
21:51whereas he's obviously
21:52had that extra thought
21:53of going this will not
21:54help us in the game
21:55Yeah
21:55Well it didn't
21:56because they both
21:57had their names
21:58He did
21:59Did she as well?
22:00She did
22:01I think everyone's thinking
22:02what I'm thinking
22:03is there more to this
22:04than what they're saying
22:05Second guessing everything
22:07Yeah
22:07I do think if
22:09people come to believe
22:10Nettie then I feel like
22:11that that was genuine
22:13Yeah
22:14Then maybe they'll believe
22:15that she's a faithful
22:16because clearly she's not
22:17someone who's playing
22:18any kind of game
22:18or like a poker situation
22:20and has just gone
22:20oh yeah
22:21and then maybe afterwards
22:22they'll be like
22:22oh I shouldn't have said that
22:23Yeah
22:24But it's therefore
22:25trustworthy
22:26Yeah
22:27Well it was a jam-packed episode
22:29but we can't move on
22:30until we've talked about
22:31the massive first mission
22:33the coffins in the lake
22:34but it wasn't as simple
22:36as it seemed
22:37because true traitors fashion
22:38there was an extra layer
22:39of savagery
22:40whoever had a coffin
22:42with the gold symbol
22:43put into their grave
22:44that meant that they
22:46were up for murder
22:47everyone who didn't have
22:47the coffin put in
22:48technically had a shield
22:49at that point
22:50pretty brutal
22:51how do we think
22:53tactics played into this?
22:54One of the groups
22:55said that they were
22:56just going for the first
22:57names
22:58that they saw
22:59which I think
23:00this early on in the game
23:02that's probably what
23:02you're best doing
23:03when you start
23:04to put people's names
23:06down for basically
23:08murder
23:08it's kind of like
23:09you're saying
23:09they're a traitor
23:10or you don't trust them
23:11or
23:12and then that's going
23:13to cause people
23:14to think
23:14well why did you
23:14pick my name?
23:15I'd be upset
23:16if I was a faithful
23:17and my name
23:18was one of those
23:19ten names
23:19I'd be really upset
23:20particularly if it was
23:21anything other than
23:22just at random
23:22yeah
23:22whereas if it's random
23:24then you're like
23:24fair enough
23:25it's the first name
23:26whatever
23:26because they were
23:27all claiming random
23:28weren't they
23:28they were like
23:28just put it in
23:29the closest one
23:30there was a little bit
23:31that one team
23:32said that they had
23:33two people that
23:34they thought
23:34were maybe traitors
23:36therefore don't bother
23:37wasting it on that
23:39and then that's
23:40poor old Fiona's
23:41downfall
23:42when she got the
23:42wrong end of the ore
23:43but I'd also be upset
23:44if that was me
23:45and they'd just
23:46taken away my
23:47opportunity to have
23:48a shield
23:48agreed
23:49yeah
23:49you're going to
23:51remember that
23:52as well aren't you
23:52it's so difficult
23:53to know whether
23:54you should put
23:55the coffin in
23:56if you suspect
23:56someone of being
23:57a traitor
23:57or you should
23:57absolutely not
23:58put the coffin in
23:59and even if you
24:00do think those
24:00things
24:01nobody wants to
24:01stick their neck
24:03out so early on
24:04I think doing
24:05the first thing
24:06you see
24:06is the easiest
24:07thing to do
24:08because there's
24:08very little
24:08gameplay
24:09I think I'm
24:09just at the
24:10back of the
24:10coffin
24:10I'm holding
24:11on to it
24:11totally
24:11keeping quiet
24:13yeah
24:13okay where do
24:14you want me
24:14to put it
24:14yeah
24:15with the new
24:16twist of the
24:17secret traitor
24:18Molly what do you
24:19think people should
24:19be looking out
24:20for on the
24:20missions
24:21in terms of
24:22suspicions
24:23the missions
24:24are going to
24:24be a good
24:25time for the
24:25traitors to
24:26look for the
24:27secret traitor
24:27I guess
24:28but
24:29anyone who's
24:30just wearing a
24:31bit of red
24:31maybe
24:32a red cloak
24:33would do it
24:33wouldn't it really
24:34that would help
24:35I think
24:35would help me
24:37the thing is
24:38the only person
24:39in there who
24:39would I think
24:40have red trousers
24:40would be Hugo
24:41and we know
24:42he's a traitor
24:42already
24:42I think
24:44the thing
24:45that people
24:46could pick up
24:47on about
24:47the secret
24:48traitor
24:48if they're
24:49a traitor
24:49is kind of
24:50anyone trying
24:50to maybe
24:51throw them
24:51under the
24:51bus
24:52and kind
24:53of give
24:53clues
24:53especially
24:54when it
24:54gets a bit
24:54deeper into
24:55the game
24:55and they
24:56need to
24:56find a
24:57traitor
24:57because it
24:57does get
24:58to that
24:58point
24:58where the
24:58faithfuls
24:59need to
24:59find a
24:59traitor
25:00because
25:00someone
25:01needs to
25:02go
25:02yeah
25:02so I
25:03think
25:03when it
25:03gets to
25:04that
25:04point
25:04and
25:04they're
25:04doing
25:04missions
25:05or even
25:06just
25:06day-to-day
25:07seeing who's
25:08trying to
25:08throw you under
25:09the bus
25:09maybe
25:10might be
25:10a good
25:10way to
25:10pick them
25:11out
25:11and obviously
25:12we're narrowing
25:13it down
25:13now with
25:14who they
25:15can murder
25:15and things
25:16like that
25:16but yeah
25:17maybe something
25:17like that
25:18could help
25:18them
25:18so who do
25:19we think
25:19is going
25:20to be the
25:20first
25:21murdered
25:21player
25:22obviously
25:22the traitors
25:22are working
25:23from the
25:24shortlist
25:24of James
25:26Nettie
25:27and Maz
25:27so it's
25:27going to be
25:28one of those
25:28three
25:28oh not Maz
25:30no not Maz
25:31Maz is a sweetheart
25:32isn't he
25:32he is
25:33but I don't
25:33think it'll be
25:34James because
25:35I think he's
25:35been too vocal
25:36so far
25:37yeah
25:37therefore the
25:38traitors could
25:38do with
25:38keeping him
25:39in because
25:39he's going
25:39to be
25:40one of the
25:40hot suspects
25:41so I feel
25:42like maybe
25:43Nettie
25:44considering the
25:44connection to
25:45Ross
25:46but then do you
25:46not think there's
25:47suspicion on
25:48Nettie because
25:49of that connection
25:50right yeah
25:50I fear that
25:52it's going to
25:52be Maz
25:52and I don't
25:53want it to be
25:54he needs to
25:54practice his
25:55cobra mark
25:56yeah
25:57he wasn't quite
25:58there with it
25:59and he's not
26:01going to have
26:01time
26:01no
26:02yeah I think
26:03because James
26:04has been throwing
26:05out accusations
26:05so the traitors
26:07would be silly
26:08to get rid of
26:08him because
26:09he will get
26:09himself banished
26:10that's what I
26:11think
26:11Nettie is
26:13potentially looking
26:14shifty with the
26:15Ross connection
26:16and then that
26:17leaves Maz
26:17but I don't want
26:18Maz to go
26:19and I'll be
26:20devastated if it
26:21isn't
26:21it's funny how
26:22you instantly
26:22like some
26:23people are just
26:24you know not
26:24that they're not
26:25all kind
26:26but some people
26:26just radiate
26:27really kind
26:28face
26:29there's a lot
26:29of very warm
26:31players this time
26:32I think Maz
26:33and Ross
26:34as well
26:35just really
26:36come through
26:37the screen
26:37I sort of
26:38love them
26:39already
26:39when Maz
26:40said he had
26:40five kids
26:40we all went
26:41aww
26:41yeah we did
26:42nice guys
26:43finished last
26:43they say
26:44aww
26:45I hope not
26:47well we've run
26:48out of time
26:48here but if
26:49you can't get
26:49enough the chat
26:50will continue
26:51on BBC Sounds
26:52we're going to
26:53discuss what
26:53jobs and life
26:54experience make
26:55for the best
26:55traitors and
26:56faithful plus
26:57I'll be getting
26:58predictions from
26:58Lucy Mina
26:59Molly and Jack
27:00on whether they
27:01think the traitors
27:01or the faithful
27:02are going to win
27:03this series
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27:12we'll be back again
27:13after episode two
27:14of the traitors
27:15and this time on
27:16BBC One for the
27:17rest of the series
27:18we'll have the
27:19first murdered player
27:20and if anyone's
27:21banished they'll be
27:22here too plus some
27:23special guests
27:24including Joe
27:24Marler to unpack
27:25everything from the
27:26first few days at
27:27the castle a massive
27:29thanks to Lucy Mina
27:30Molly and Jack for
27:30joining me and thanks
27:32to you for watching
27:32as well I'm Ed
27:33Gamble stay faithful