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In this edition of To The Point, the focus is on the renewed controversy at Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) following the Supreme Court's denial of bail to Umar Khalid and Sharjeel Imam.
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00:00From campus to controversy
00:06JNU slogans spark political storm
00:17BJP Brands, Protesters, Urban Naxals
00:30Students claim ideological fight
00:41Congress lends support
00:47Campus protest, national debate
01:01Welcome, you're watching To The Point
01:09I'm Preeti Chaudhary
01:10JNU is back in focus
01:11And what is also back is the debate
01:14Is JNU a laboratory for anti-India activities
01:18With what many seem to suggest
01:21Especially those who live a little right
01:23While there is what the students say
01:27And even where certain opposition political parties say
01:31That this is just all the ideological decreases
01:33If slogans were raised
01:35Which were clearly against the Prime Minister of this country
01:38I'm the Home Minister
01:39It wasn't meant literally
01:41But an ideological fashion
01:44Let's take that debate
01:46On To The Point this evening
01:47First up, taking you through the headlines
01:49Provocative slogans in JNU
01:57Hours after no bail to riot accused Omar Khalid
02:00Chance of Modi Shah ki kabar khudegi
02:03JNU seeks FIR in anti-Modi chance
02:07Apex court lashes out at pollution body
02:16Over worsening air in Delhi
02:18Directs CAQM to form panel of experts
02:21To determine cause of pollution
02:22And solve the issue
02:23There's been a huge setback
02:32For the Stalin government in Tamil Nadu
02:34Hindu devotees' right to deepan upheld
02:37Madras High Court dismisses
02:39Stalin government's plea
02:40The Stalin government now to move
02:42Supreme Court challenging
02:43The Madras High Court order
02:45CBI summons actor Vijay
02:52In the Karoor Stampede case
02:54CBI summons Vijay on the 12th of January
02:5641 died in the Stampede
02:58At Vijay's Karoor rally
03:00Healthcare for all
03:07Ayushman Bharat remains a myth
03:09Healthcare still a luxury for poor
03:12Eye-opening India today
03:13Reality check on how Ayushman's scheme
03:16Has not been implemented on ground
03:18Another Hindu man killed in Bangladesh
03:25Grocery shop owner killed outside his shop
03:27Sixth attack on Hindus in just three weeks
03:30All right J News back in the spotlight
03:42This time around once again
03:44For raising slogans
03:45Which some would suggest
03:47Were not just inappropriate
03:49But many would also call it
03:51Anti-India
03:52Where slogans against the Prime Minister
03:54Of the country were raised
03:56Now to give you context
03:57This was a protest
03:59Which took place at the back
04:00Of Umar Khalid
04:01Not getting bailed
04:03By the top court of the country
04:04Also marking the anniversary
04:06Of the violence that had taken place
04:08In JNU in 2020
04:10Slogans that were raised
04:13Seemed to echo
04:14Modi, Teri, Kabar, Khudegi
04:17In JNU
04:18Now at one end
04:19You've had the BJP
04:20And many from the right wing
04:22Calling it
04:23Calling the students
04:25In JNU
04:25Urban Naxals
04:26And anti-India
04:27The students
04:28And many would suggest
04:29This is just an ideological fight
04:31They didn't quite literally mean it
04:33But
04:33Controversy
04:35Nevertheless
04:35JNU is once again
05:00At the center
05:01Of a political storm
05:02Just hours after
05:11The Supreme Court
05:12Denied bail
05:13To Umar Khalid
05:13And Sharjil Imam
05:14Purported videos
05:16Surfaced from
05:17The Jawaharlal Nehru
05:18University campus
05:19These clips
05:21Allegedly show students
05:22Raising controversial
05:23Slogans
05:24Against Prime Minister
05:25Narendra Modi
05:26And Home Minister
05:27Amit Shah
05:28The protest was organized
05:34To oppose the Supreme Court's refusal
05:36To grant bail
05:37To Umar Khalid
05:38And Sharjil Imam
05:38While also commemorating
05:40Six years
05:41Since the 2020 campus attack
05:43Here
05:53When these slogans
05:54Were raised
05:55Was now objected
05:56By the ABVP
05:57And other organizations
05:58In fact
05:59Whether the complaint
06:00That will file
06:01The police action
06:02That is yet to be known
06:03But the university campus
06:04Yet again
06:05Becomes the controversy
06:06Campus
06:06When these slogans
06:08Objectionable slogans
06:10Were raised
06:10By the left wing
06:11Students while they were protesting
06:13What began as
06:16Sloganeering on campus
06:17Soon escalated
06:18Into a full-blown
06:19Political flashpoint
06:20The JNA administration
06:22Filed a complaint
06:23At the Vasandkuch police station
06:24Naming JNA Students Union
06:26President Aditi Mashra
06:27Vice President Gopika Babu
06:29And several other students
06:31Taking cognizance
06:34Of the widely circulated videos
06:35The JNA administration
06:36Said that slogans
06:37Raised
06:38Were highly objectionable
06:39Provocative
06:40And inflammatory
06:41The BJP
06:43Quickly ceased
06:44On the episode
06:44Branding the protesters
06:45As urban naxils
06:47And reiterating
06:48Its claim
06:48That extremism
06:49Can exist
06:50Even amongst
06:51So-called intellectuals
06:52Including doctors
06:53And engineers
06:54As the people of the people
06:58As the man who
06:59In the
07:00Part of the
07:01Mania Pradhan
07:02Manitri Ji
07:02With the
07:03To be
07:04As the man who
07:04Is
07:05The people
07:06Have
07:06The people
07:07Can
07:08foreign
07:15foreign
07:20foreign
07:25foreign
07:30foreign
07:35The left-back students' groups, whose leaders have been named in the complaint, have defended
07:44the protest, insisting that it was an expression of dissent.
08:05The Congress has come out in support of the students, while the CPM struck a more cautious
08:22note, urging restraint in the choice of slogans.
08:25This way of slogans unnecessarily create trouble.
08:48I think they should be careful in raising slogans when their government attitude against democracy
08:59is so stiff.
09:01This is not the first time JNU has found itself in the national spotlight.
09:07From the 2016 sedition row to repeated clashes over ideology and dissent, the campus has
09:12long remained a lightning rod for controversy.
09:30As the investigations begin and political lines harden, yet another campus protest has
09:34spilled into a national debate.
09:39Once again, pushing JNU to the centre of India's ideological battleground.
09:44Bureau Report, India Today.
09:46All right, there's breaking news coming at the back of that.
09:59JNU-SU has spoken out over the Kabar Khudegi chance, suggesting Delibrute's effort to mischaracterise
10:07a widget, bid to deflect from real issues, organised attempt to defame JNU.
10:13We have a constitutional right to dissent.
10:16So, once again, the university is where not the management but the student's body has said
10:23that this is a clear attempt to misrepresent what the students in JNU actually did, which
10:31was protest.
10:32It was a vigil and there is a deliberate effort to mischaracterise what was sheer protest.
10:39They say that this is an organised attempt to defame JNU.
10:44Once again, the student body also says we have a constitutional right to dissent.
10:49Shreya Chatterjee is breaking this news on India Today.
10:52Shreya, what more can you add?
10:54Well, Preeti, this is a statement that's officially now coming from JNU-SU.
11:01And we've been speaking to them since precedent.
11:04They very categorically say that yesterday's event was a vigil.
11:07It was to commemorate the anniversary of the attack that took place in JNU in 2020 on
11:13the 5th of January.
11:14And because the Supreme Court judgment had also come in against Omar Khalid and Shahjil Imam,
11:19so that was also discussed.
11:20So clearly, in that very emotion, there were sloganeerings that did happen, which they
11:25did not really deflect from.
11:28That was agreed by all the members of the Student Union.
11:31But they say that these sloganeerings cannot be looked at independently.
11:36It is about how they wanted to condemn an ideology.
11:39And they say that it's only a portion of...
11:42Shreya, one quick question before we let you go.
11:49Is there regret that maybe certain slogans which involve the Prime Minister should not
11:54have been raised?
11:55Shreya, can you hear us?
12:00Shreya, can you hear us?
12:05We don't seem to have Shreya.
12:06Shreya, are you back with us?
12:07Okay, we're going to try and reconnect with my colleague Shreya Chatterjee, whose breaking
12:14news, the student body has come out with an official statement saying that this is an
12:19attempt to completely turn the picture, a deliberate bid to mischaracterize what was
12:27pure ideological dissent into something far more sinister.
12:32And though chants were raised, they are not deflecting from that, but they said that they
12:37were merely raised as a protest sign and a sign of dissent, which is their constitutional
12:44right.
12:45And there is now a propaganda to malign the JNU students for indulging in something which
12:52the students had absolutely no idea about or something that they wanted to portray.
12:59So they are saying whatever has happened yesterday has been mischaracterized, misrepresented,
13:06and this wasn't the intention.
13:08It was purely a protest vigil and it is their right to register dissent.
13:13All right.
13:14I want to cut across right now to our panelists this evening and the moot question that we
13:19ask.
13:20Pure ideological dissent is what at least the student body of JNU seems to suggest, but the management
13:25has lodged an FIR.
13:28The management where the VC of JNU is concerned, they want action to be taken off late.
13:34We have also seen a tug of war between the students leaning towards the left and the JNU management,
13:41especially the VC.
13:43Okay.
13:44Let's get down to the question that we moot in this debate on to the point, ideological
13:50dissent or something far more sinister.
13:52Joining me, Sanjay Jha, political analyst.
13:54Rajat Sethi, political analyst.
13:56Vaibhav Meena, who is a member of ABVP, former joint secretary.
14:01JNUSU from the year 24 to 25.
14:04Vivek Srivastava, who is a CPI leader.
14:07To begin with Vaibhav Meena, all of you will get two minutes to put your point forward.
14:14What do you reckon?
14:15Because the JNUSU, the student body, has come out with a statement, clarify.
14:19They have been misrepresented.
14:21They didn't mean to say anything which was derogatory.
14:24Yes, slogans were raised, but they have been mischaracterized.
14:29It was their right to dissent, and they were raised in that manner.
14:38Vaibhav Meena, it's the questions for you.
14:40You have two minutes.
14:41Sorry.
14:42Yeah.
14:43Every time it happened, it didn't mean that it was the first time in JNU.
14:48It's a whole relationship.
14:50When the Supreme Court heard the Supreme Court of Farsi,
14:52the JNU was like,
14:55you were like,
14:56you are a victim.
14:57When you're killed,
14:58you were killed.
14:59When you were killed in Kashmir,
15:00you were killed in the JNU.
15:01You are killed by the JNU.
15:02He was killed by the JNU.
15:03And Mr. Khalid was a tweet.
15:05This is the whole problem.
15:07Now, a little bit ago,
15:08a hitman for him.
15:09Hitman was killed by the CRPM,
15:12which hitman of the JNU,
15:13the JNU,
15:16that hitman's JNU was killed.
15:17He killed the JNU.
15:19Now,
15:20Baswa Raju,
15:21he killed the JNU.
15:22and they had a gathering.
15:24So, these people have a whole empire
15:26which have the powers of the country,
15:28the powers of the country,
15:30which have the powers of the country,
15:32they have the powers of the country,
15:34and they had the gathering.
15:36The post-poster
15:38which they had taken,
15:40was the photo of Umar Khalid and Shahjee Limam.
15:42Umar Khalid and Shahjee Limam
15:44the Supreme Court,
15:46when they put the Supreme Court,
15:48the courage of them,
15:50the Supreme Court is saying that
15:52we can't leave the rest of 5 people,
15:54and they have left 5 people,
15:56and in the Indian state,
15:58the people who are doing this,
16:00this means that they have no trust
16:02on the Bahrain,
16:04on the Bahrain, on the Bahrain,
16:06and on the Bahrain and Shahjee Limam,
16:08and Modi and Shahjee Limam,
16:10who are trying to fight against them,
16:12who are trying to fight against them.
16:14It's a good institute,
16:16it's a good study,
16:18we have been doing this,
16:20but we have to keep the fight against them,
16:22we have to keep our people
16:24who have been healed.
16:26We are trying to find out
16:27this small pockets of the Bahrain
16:29and Shahjee Limam.
16:31And now,
16:32the most important thing is,
16:33the Bahrain and Shahjee Limam,
16:34the Bahrain which was killed in 31st,
16:35the Bahrain,
16:36in the Bahrain,
16:38we have given the guidelines
16:39to clean the Bahrain,
16:40and the Bahrain and Shahjee Limam,
16:41the Bahrain and Shahjee Limam,
16:42the Bahrain,
16:43the Bahrain and Shahjee Limam,
16:44This is the slogan that we are doing.
16:47You are done, Vaibhav. I will come back to you.
16:50The other panelists will come back to you.
16:52Vivek Srivastav, every right.
16:54The students have every right to protest,
16:56even against the Supreme Court's judgment of denying bail,
17:00to Sharjeele Imam and away from all of that.
17:05But to raise slogans like,
17:08Modi, Tere Kabar Khudegi.
17:11You might say that this is just an ideological way of expressing dissent.
17:16But, Mr. Srivastav, many would say,
17:18to actually suggest that the Prime Minister's grave would be dug in JNU is anti-India.
17:24Right. See, I'm speaking as a communist, not officially as a CPI spokesperson.
17:29The line is yet to come.
17:30So, see, it's very clear.
17:32This country has got a very vibrant democracy.
17:35Burning effigies.
17:36Putle Jalana.
17:37And this kind of slogan, not only us.
17:40The ABVP, the BJP.
17:42I mean, every party has done it.
17:44I mean, if I question the BJP people,
17:46how many Prime Ministers,
17:48how many Chief Ministers,
17:49how many opposition parties have putle of people?
17:52And there are such slogans.
17:54How many of them have hit.
17:55Sayyad Ali Shah Jalani came from Kashmir,
17:57had the invitation of the central government at that time to speak in Delhi University.
18:02He was attacked.
18:03How many ABVP have hit the whole ABVP?
18:05But then, there are students.
18:07And you have to take that in perspective.
18:09I do not support ever any even ABVP student
18:13being victimized out of the turn.
18:16Vivek Srivastava, there's a problem.
18:28We're going to freeze your counter.
18:29We're going to come back to you.
18:30There's a problem with your link.
18:31We're going to try and rectify that.
18:33Rajat Sethi, these are students.
18:36You know, it needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.
18:39It's an ideological dissent.
18:41This was a vigil which has deliberately been mischaracterized to malign JNU once again.
18:46It's the defense.
18:51What do you say to this, Preeti Ji?
18:53I mean, it just shows, on one side, it shows total bankruptcy of political vocabulary,
18:59intellectual bankruptcy that they cannot even come up with a fair slogan
19:02which they themselves can defend a day later.
19:04When the state's gaze sharpens on them, they start having bowel movements.
19:08You know, today what we are seeing is that sorry display that they couldn't even stand with what they said a night before.
19:15So I don't take these people seriously, but I believe the JNU administration should actually set an example.
19:20You know, while students and young brains around the world in various universities are striving hard to make the country strong and powerful,
19:28these loonies out there needs to be identified and kicked out of the university campus once and for all.
19:35It's a tight example, strict example for others to follow and ensure that no such frivolous statements are made,
19:41which they very well know.
19:43It was a decision made by the Supreme Court.
19:45Do they have the goals to come out and say,
19:47that Supreme Court Chief Justice Surya Khan,
19:50when will you tell them?
19:52See, there is a beautiful word in Kanpur called awkaat.
19:56Their awkaat doesn't span beyond one square kilometer in and around JNU.
20:01Okay, that is their existence.
20:03The moment they leave that campus also their safe haven or the laboratory of terrorism,
20:07the moment they step out, they're unemployable.
20:10They're not worthy of getting a security guard job also.
20:13And in spite of that, they want to step in and do all of this
20:16and tomorrow blame the government that okay,
20:18you know, while I was doing all of this, I didn't end up getting a job
20:21and the government is responsible for not giving us a job.
20:23That is their level.
20:24So such people, you try doing this in the US,
20:27there were a lot of universities, Columbia and Harvard,
20:29which tried attempting to do this.
20:31Where are they right now?
20:32Where are those loonie left in these campuses?
20:34They've been shown the place.
20:36And I believe the state for once should ensure…
20:38I'll come to you, sir.
20:39Sir, allow him to speak and I'll just get Rajat to finish his statement.
20:42Make your point, Rajat.
20:43The state should for once show a sharp gaze onto these people,
20:47identify these people, investigate them, remove them,
20:50throw them out of the campus and you see everything will fall in place.
20:53All right, I'll come back to you.
20:55Your two minutes are over.
20:56Vivek Srivastav, we froze your counter.
20:57You have one minute to put your point forward.
20:59Make it.
21:02You see, the entire commentary given by Rajat Sethi
21:04was nothing but hatred for a political party recognized by the Election Commission of India.
21:09The entire left stands for elections.
21:1135 years in Bengal.
21:13Listen to me.
21:1410 years in Manipur.
21:15Two decades in Tirpura.
21:17Kerala.
21:18Are we breaking the nation?
21:19What nonsense is going on?
21:21Just because we are your political opponents and our student wing,
21:24you are saying that we are anti-national.
21:26You have been watching this for 70 years.
21:29We have been watching this for 70 years.
21:30We have been watching this for a long time.
21:33We have been watching this for a long time.
21:35We have been watching this for a long time.
21:37Sir, there's a huge problem with your network.
21:39We've lost you again.
21:40Please fix it before we come back to you.
21:42I want to cut across to Sanjay Jha.
21:44Sanjay Jha, we'll give you your two minutes right now.
21:46The fact is, the students have every right to protest.
21:49The students have every right to criticize the judgment of the Supreme Court
21:53without even inviting contempt.
21:55But there is that fine red line.
21:57When you raise slogans which speak of the Prime Minister's grave being dug in JNU,
22:04many would call it anti-India.
22:07Preeti, good evening.
22:09Let me start my two minutes right away.
22:11Firstly, I strongly condemn any use of language which has any violent manifestation.
22:18Whether it comes from the left or the right, I don't approve of it at all.
22:22There are better ways by which you can make your point.
22:25You can be aggressive without indulging in kind of wordplay that can boomerang against you.
22:31Having said that, let's be honest.
22:33I heard Rajat.
22:34Rajat's acerbic, very bitter vehemence was for all to see.
22:39This is the problem with people from the right wing.
22:42They have such an ideological animus against anything which is on the liberal, secular,
22:47or the left side that you're always bracketed as a libertad, as a secular, and they mock you.
22:54This is the problem.
22:55Narendra Modi himself as the Prime Minister calls every dissenter as an urban naxer.
23:00These are like terms that have gained political currency since 2014.
23:06I know there was a movie made, Preeti, I don't know whether you are aware of it, which was called Jehangir National University.
23:12What were they trying to convey, right?
23:14That this is not just leftists, but this has got a major Muslim domination.
23:19So, end of day, we are living in a world where the universities and intellectuals are being targeted by this government left, right, and center.
23:29We all know that.
23:30I mean, Rajat actually quoted how universities are being attacked by Trump and called them left loonies.
23:36So, it is an ideological battle.
23:38There is no denying that.
23:40And you know why?
23:41Yesterday was probably a coincidence that the students would be agitated where you have a government today,
23:47where Kapil Mishra and Parvesh Verma and Anurag Thakur make provocative speeches.
23:53Nothing happens to them.
23:55Tukre Tukre Gang.
23:56I mean, these are what?
23:57These are nothing but fictitious allegations against people who are fighting for their democratic rights.
24:02They are bracketed as anti-national.
24:04So, what we are seeing is protest.
24:06They should use more appropriate language.
24:07That's all.
24:08Okay.
24:09Use more appropriate language.
24:10It is protest.
24:11These are students and one needs to look at it from that lens is what Sanjay Jha is saying.
24:16I want to cut across back to our panelists.
24:18We have, I believe we do have our, we have Vivek Srivastav back with us.
24:23But before I do that, all of you will get your two minutes time each again.
24:26Vaibhav Meena, start with you.
24:28Vaibhav Meena,
24:29now the Student Union has said that they are misrepresented, mischaracterized,
24:36they are mischaracterized.
24:37It was a vigil, a protest.
24:38It was a vigil.
24:39It was a protest.
24:40You don't have to do it from them.
24:41But you don't have to do it from them.
24:42You don't have to do it from them.
24:43But it is the right to protest.
24:45And they were doing it.
24:46They were doing it.
24:47They were doing it.
24:48They were doing it.
24:49That in 2020, the violence of ABVP was also included.
24:51Now they are asking,
24:53the woman who was the woman who was naked,
24:56whose face was naked.
24:58So this was a protest.
25:00And it was mischaracterized.
25:02You are a student.
25:03You should understand this.
25:05But if of course,
25:06the JNU talks about it daily,
25:07every day
25:08there are protests.
25:09Every day there is no evidence,
25:10one rings,
25:11every day there is no rally.
25:12It's not that there is no protest.
25:13If people are like talking about any issue,
25:16they are closed within a protest,
25:18then there will be something to be uncomfortable with them.
25:19Everyone,
25:21we,
25:22at the last stage,
25:23we,
25:24keep in mind
25:26We keep our conversation, we protest, but we don't have any question of anti-national activities.
25:32We don't have any questions for anyone.
25:35Three days before Kerala, in 2012, there was one week of Vishal.
25:39There were 12 people who left the court for 19.
25:42Today, 8 years later.
25:44After that, we protested in Virod.
25:47But we don't have any questions like that.
25:50We don't have any questions like that.
25:52We don't have any questions.
25:53We don't have any questions.
25:56But we don't have any questions like that.
26:01In 2020, there are a lot of videos.
26:06The ABVP was a person.
26:09We don't have any questions.
26:11There were also a person who was like ABVP.
26:15There was a person who has a person.
26:18They didn't know where they are.
26:21where are they?
26:22Where are they?
26:23Where are they?
26:24Where are they?
26:25Aishi Ghosn, JNV President, sitting JNV President, Periaan Hostel,
26:30200-100 people are out of the room.
26:33Now, one month before, the JNV was a secret.
26:36The school of social sciences, the JNV's life of JNV,
26:40the JNV's life of JNV, the JNV's life of JNV, the JNV, the students,
26:43the JNV's life of JNV, the JNV, the JNV, the JNV, the JNV, the JNV, the JNV, the JNV,
26:50the JNV's life of JNV, the JNV, the JNV's life of JNV.
26:55Vaibhav ji, your time has been finished.
26:58You've got two minutes.
26:59Our counter has been further ahead.
27:01But I want to cut across right now to Vivek Srivastav.
27:05Hopefully, we have him back.
27:06Vivek Srivastav, your 2 minutes starts now.
27:09Hopefully, we'll have you.
27:11Go ahead.
27:12Yeah.
27:14It's very clear.
27:16Nobody is trying to understand the emotions of the students.
27:19Please understand the sentiment.
27:25In this country, a Ram Rahim has received a life sentence.
27:29They are passing on the bail and parole.
27:31The other one, Kuldeep Sengar, he is now leaving.
27:34I will produce the same word because they are Sahab people.
27:36And look at the kind of bail that they are getting.
27:38So people feel what's wrong.
27:40If you feel that this gentleman called Mr. Omar Khalid is guilty,
27:44Charjil Imam is guilty, why it's an open and shut case?
27:47Why have you not done the investigation and closed the case?
27:51So they are going to hold your timer.
27:52Allow me to ask you a counter.
27:54We will hold your timer.
27:55It's not about, nobody is questioning why the protests took place.
28:00The students have every right, like I said, to protest,
28:03to criticize the judgment,
28:06which did not give bail to Omar Khalid as well as Charjil Imam.
28:10The question is on the kind of language and slogans that were raised,
28:14especially which involved the Prime Minister of this country.
28:18Can we just let it pass and saying,
28:20okay, this is an expression of dissent?
28:22That is the question.
28:24It has, it has, it has, yeah, yeah.
28:26I'll just, just take a little while.
28:27Number one, it is not a protest against judiciary
28:29or the judges or the court.
28:31It is a protest against the Home Minister
28:33because the Delhi police, the investigating authorities report to him.
28:39Sir, there's a problem.
28:45We'll hold your timer.
28:46We'll come back to you.
28:47I think you have a really bad network.
28:49And it's not supporting you right now.
28:51But okay, because I'm running short of time,
28:53I'm going to cut across to Rajat Sethi
28:55and I'll give you that one minute later.
28:56Rajat Sethi, two minutes time, sir.
28:58Go ahead.
28:58Well, Preeti Ji, if Sanjay Ji wants to mollycoddle these people
29:06or breastfeed these future criminals or terrorists,
29:09by all means do that.
29:11I have deep hatred for people like these.
29:14They are unfit to live, can coexist in a civil society.
29:18Civil societies operate and function,
29:21nations operate and function through these social contracts.
29:23If they do not want to respect the institutions
29:27which are fundamental to nation building,
29:30then by all means they should be given a taste
29:34of the wrath of the state for once.
29:36Once they will get that taste, that bitter medicine,
29:40the rest of their lives, they'll all be sorted.
29:43And I believe an example, it's high time.
29:45For the past 10 years or so, we've been seeing this.
29:48They have zero public support, zero credibility,
29:51zero employability, and yet they exist.
29:53And like parasites, they leach onto taxpayers' money
29:56while sitting onto these campuses for God knows how many years
29:59trying to finish their PhD.
30:00Enough of it.
30:02Something has to be done in order that these things cannot be repeated.
30:05And I believe the education system of this country is not under threat.
30:09There are thousands of universities
30:11who are perfectly creating future citizens,
30:13responsible citizens of this country,
30:15and doing an excellent job at that.
30:18And I believe we should focus our attention and our efforts
30:20and our funding towards those universities
30:22who are building the nation and building future promising leaders for the country.
30:26Do you think these, look at these faces.
30:28They can't even have a proper, rational, intellectual discussion.
30:32All they can do, and this is what I was saying,
30:34they are short of words because they've never gotten into deep level
30:37intellectual discourses ever in their lives.
30:40They find a small laboratory in which they want,
30:43they are being taught by a certain set of these slogans
30:46by some of their, you know, old students, alumni, professors,
30:49I don't know whom.
30:50And they keep repeating that.
30:51Has there been any innovation that they've come out with?
30:53Come and come, show innovation in the slogan.
30:55You can do this.
30:59All right. Sanjay Jha, two minutes, sir.
31:01Make your point.
31:03Preeti, I have found Rajat,
31:05my friend's entire two-minute talk, very disturbing.
31:10The language is very provocative.
31:13The way he's branding everybody from the JNU as a parasite
31:17and almost like an anti-national.
31:20He talks about, you know,
31:21them getting fixed as a very appropriate way to go forward.
31:25These are not just authoritarian, Preeti.
31:28These sound very fascist,
31:30which is obliterate the opposition.
31:32And I can tell you that is extremely worrying
31:35because I have maintained it in all my public conversations on TV
31:40and in my writing that Mr. Modi's government's attempt
31:44has clearly been very explicit,
31:47destroy all forms of dissent.
31:50And nobody in their right senses is approving bad language.
31:53That's how I started.
31:54But clearly you can see there is a lot of,
31:56I would call as animosity, hatred,
32:00ire against the left and against JNU.
32:03And don't forget, Preeti,
32:05that in 2020 what happened at JNU
32:07was literally under the watch of the Delhi police.
32:11It was not just JNU,
32:12it was Jamia Milia as well.
32:14Students were terrified.
32:16They were being attacked in broad daylight.
32:18People were injured.
32:19And we know who was behind it, right?
32:21Who was wearing the mask?
32:22Which political party's student wing was that?
32:26Or the RSS wing?
32:27There are a couple of points that we should not lose track of.
32:30Christmas, since Rajat talked about wanton violence,
32:34you know who did that?
32:35It was the Vishwa Hindu Parishad and the Bajrang Dal
32:38who are members of the Sangh Pariwar.
32:40And they openly called for attacking
32:41all these Santa Claus celebrations going on in the country.
32:45That is what you should be worried about.
32:47These are speeches, they are bad.
32:48But these were actual violent attacks being done.
32:51Can we condemn the lynching that is going on in this country?
32:54Can we condemn what is happening to Muslims in this country?
32:57Can we talk about an open call for genocide
32:59under Union Ministry of Culture?
33:03That's the real problem for India.
33:05All right.
33:06Okay.
33:06Thank you, Sanjeev Jha, for joining us and all our guests.
33:08We're going to leave it with that.
33:09Well, you know, Sanjeev Jha,
33:11if Rajat Sethi or the likes of Rajat Sethi
33:13have a point of view,
33:14they have every right to that point of view.
33:16But then so do the students of J&E.
33:19But did they push it too far by raising slogans
33:22which many would think are not in national interest
33:25where you speak of digging the grave of the Prime Minister?
33:27Should they have been mindful of that?
33:30Possibly, yes.
33:32We're going to leave it at that.
33:33Thank you for joining us.
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