This Old House - Season 47 Episode 04- Carolina Comeback- Waterproof Work
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00:00Country that's also a top tourist attraction here in Asheville.
00:04We're trying to get all the tile waterproof board up and we're going to use a waterproof sealant.
00:09We took the old deck off and we discovered a little bit of rot here.
00:21That's it.
00:30Hey there, I'm Kevin O'Connor and welcome back to This Old House and to beautiful Asheville,
00:50North Carolina, where we are working on restoring five homes damaged by Hurricane
00:55Helene, a hurricane that damaged tens of thousands of homes in this area.
01:00But it also damaged infrastructure and businesses, big and small.
01:05And many of those businesses cater to tourism.
01:08In fact, 14 million people come through Asheville every year to take advantage of the great food,
01:14outdoor activities and, of course, places like this.
01:19That is the Biltmore, America's largest private residence,
01:24also a National Historic Landmark.
01:26And it was built by George Vanderbilt.
01:28The family moved in Christmas Day, 1895.
01:32And then the home was opened in 1930 to the public.
01:34And as you can see, well, people are back and visiting the home,
01:38as well as the magnificent gardens down below,
01:41which is where I think we'll find our gardener extraordinaire, Jen.
01:54So have you had some time to look around, Jen?
01:56I mean, I've been exploring.
01:58This place is 8,000 acres.
02:00That's crazy.
02:00You know who it's designed by?
02:01Who?
02:02Frederick Law Olmsted.
02:03Your guy.
02:03Yep.
02:04He's the father of American landscape architecture.
02:06He did Central Park, right?
02:08Yep.
02:09Park Slope, the Emerald Necklace in Boston.
02:11Awesome.
02:12I'm very excited right now.
02:13These are azaleas.
02:15Oh, man.
02:16We came at the perfect time.
02:17I know.
02:18It's just this magenta pop of color.
02:20Spring is on in Carolina.
02:22I know.
02:23And this is Acornis, Florida, one of my favorites.
02:27It's a dogwood tree.
02:28Oh, yeah.
02:29Look how beautiful.
02:30Love that.
02:30And then back there, we have the pink one, Circus canadensis.
02:35My wife's favorite tree.
02:36Yep.
02:37Eastern redbud.
02:38That's awesome.
02:38So, I mean, there's just pops of color everywhere throughout.
02:42It just goes on forever, too.
02:43And it feels natural, but you can tell that it is just well-loved.
02:47Exactly.
02:48And there's always something blooming throughout the seasons.
02:51Everything's timed.
02:52Let's see what's down here.
02:53Okay.
02:58Kevin, this is the walled garden.
03:00Wow.
03:01Look at it.
03:02It's four acres.
03:04Just keeps getting better.
03:05Oh, it's probably one of the most prominent gardens here.
03:09And what are we featuring this season?
03:11It's tulips.
03:12Apparently, huh?
03:13Happy spring.
03:14I like tulip season.
03:15Spectacular.
03:16You're in heaven, aren't you?
03:17Oh, my gosh.
03:18I think I'm going to spend all day here.
03:19Yeah, you probably will.
03:20Yeah, fine.
03:21I can't.
03:21I got to go, but enjoy.
03:23Yeah.
03:23I'm going to go to the job site.
03:24I'm going to go to the Japanese Maples.
03:29One of our job sites is here in Swannanoa.
03:41This was all built back in the 20s as worker housing for a nearby blanket factory.
03:45And now it's this quaint little neighborhood that, unfortunately, on this low-lying street,
03:50all flooded.
03:51Some of the houses flooding was up to the roof line.
03:54Three houses here have been bulldozed, but the rest are stayed, including three homes that we're
03:59working on.
04:00So I figured it'd be time to check in with our five homeowners to hear about their progress.
04:04There they are.
04:05I'm Shepard Homeowners.
04:06Hey, guys.
04:06Hi there.
04:07A lot of smiles.
04:08I like to see that.
04:09Hopefully, it's a good time to check in on progress.
04:12Kat, how about you?
04:13Yeah, we're doing good.
04:14The house is kind of starting to look like a home again.
04:17We've got hardwood floors in, and it just looks beautiful.
04:20Awesome.
04:21Yeah, and we got our windows.
04:22We got our tile delivered today.
04:24Pretty excited.
04:25Good.
04:25Maya, what do you put?
04:26Sheetrock is done.
04:28The floors are getting put in today.
04:29Most of my windows are in, so super excited.
04:32Good to hear that.
04:32Allie, Jim, what about you guys?
04:34I'm so excited about the windows.
04:35See all the natural light coming in.
04:37I love it.
04:38So how about you, Jim?
04:39What do you got to report?
04:40We just kind of picked up tile, and my brother came from New Jersey to
04:44help me put it in, set it, and that's what he does for his work.
04:47Well, that's good.
04:48I want to check in with him in a little bit, but I mean, I'm glad to see the smiles and hear about
04:52all the progress.
04:53I would imagine it's probably a little bit more difficult than you guys are letting on.
04:56Like, how are you holding up?
04:57I mean, emotionally, and how's the neighborhood holding up?
04:59I think we've all experienced a lot, and it's been a real rollercoaster ride.
05:06I think we lost a lot of security with losing our home, and I also don't think any of us were
05:12ready for a home renovation, but here we are, and I think we're excited about kind of the future
05:17and hopeful.
05:18Yeah.
05:18Trials and tribulations from you guys, Jim?
05:21Yeah.
05:21What do you...
05:22Days still have its ups and downs for sure, but
05:26I mean, being together as neighbors, we try to do it every other week, get together
05:31with the whole street, and it's been nice to rely on each other because we know what
05:36we've been through, so.
05:37Yeah.
05:38With the house coming along, it's been huge, but you know, there's still things to process,
05:44and loss of security, and just being home.
05:48Yeah.
05:49You know, it's still a lot of stuff to work through, and talk through, and just figure out.
05:55Yeah, I can imagine.
05:56Well, for what it's worth, I will tell you that we've been through it before with other homeowners
06:01and other communities, and I can assure you we've seen it return to home eventually, so it will happen.
06:06Yeah.
06:07So hang in there.
06:09And if I'll excuse myself, I'll go check in with Bill.
06:11Yeah.
06:12All right.
06:12Hang in there, guys.
06:14You can see and hear the progress that Jim and Allie were talking about.
06:17Their windows are in, all of the board is up.
06:21The house has been a little bit reconfigured from original, but not too much, and as promised,
06:26down here at the end of the hallway, we've got the primary bathroom, and Brother Bill,
06:31I'm doing well.
06:32We appreciate you showing up to help out.
06:34So we're trying to get all the tile waterproof board up, work around the window.
06:39We've got a little interesting situation that we don't always run into.
06:42Yeah.
06:43But if you want to hand me that board, we could probably fit that up here.
06:47You pre-cut it.
06:48Yeah, just watch the corner, because I've got that backboard loosely in place.
06:53And so we don't often have windows in a shower, so we're worried about waterproofing more than usual
07:00with this.
07:00Yes.
07:01Board is around it.
07:02How do you treat the perimeter?
07:04So we have a waterproof fabric that we use a caulking that we bond to the window and to the fabric.
07:12Then we embed it in thinset that is made for that purpose, and wrap that around.
07:20Similar to how you would do a shower pan waterproofing with the membrane.
07:23So we need a couple other pieces of the board?
07:25And also this only gets membrane.
07:28This gets membrane.
07:29The side one gets shimmed out.
07:30If you want to pass me those, the smaller ones on your side.
07:34Okay.
07:34All right.
07:35So you're saying these go in like this?
07:36Yeah.
07:37Yeah.
07:38And then we will waterproof membrane around.
07:42And again, use that caulking to adhere that waterproof membrane to the window frame.
07:46Roger that.
07:47If you want to get the rest of the ones up high, I'll go mix up some thinsets.
07:58Sounds good.
07:59All right.
08:09So we've got our thinset mixed up.
08:12I'm going to put some up here and work it in.
08:18And then I'm going to notch trowel that.
08:20Kevin, if you could just take that trowel, grab a little bit and just spread it on there like
08:24you're putting mayo on a sandwich.
08:25All right.
08:27We're going to stick this in here.
08:30And then we're going to see if we're plumb and square.
08:34That looks pretty good.
08:35I think we're ready for screws there, but we could mud up the other side and get that ready.
08:49All right.
08:50Give a little push.
08:50I did put a lot extra in there.
08:52And some might ooze out when we screw it in.
08:55And we're going to have to be careful not to over torque it to throw us out of plumb.
09:08All right.
09:09So now we've got to put banding in because we have all these seams here and they're not waterproof.
09:14So we have a waterproof fabric that we use a caulking that we bond to the window and to the fabric.
09:22If you could cut them for me in the other room,
09:25I have you all set up where you can just pull it out of the box and slice it with a knife on the drywall.
09:29Perfect.
09:30Will do.
09:30And while you're doing that, I'm going to put our adhesive sealant caulk around our vinyl window.
09:38Because when you have a different material, you need to bond and have a watertight seal and then mortar or a thinset on what we installed.
09:48Okay.
09:56Okay.
09:56All right.
09:57You got those ready for me?
09:58Perfect.
09:58I do.
10:00What I've got to do is spread the thinset along here and along here.
10:09All right, Kev, give me a long bottom one.
10:11Here's the first one.
10:13And we're going to embed it into our adhesive sealant and our thinset mortar at the same time.
10:24And I will go back and squeeze this in.
10:36We have some outside corners here that are pre-made.
10:39And what we do with them is we fit them here like this at all four corners.
10:47And that'll cover everything up and we'll be 100% waterproof.
10:51And installation of those is the same as the side?
10:53Absolutely.
10:53Yeah, we just use our notch trowel in the appropriate size, smooth it out, and I'll be ready to go.
11:00Once this cures, this all bonds together and we'll be waterproof.
11:20So it's actually quite a bit of detailing, but when you've got a window in a shower,
11:24you want it to be rock solid waterproof.
11:26And absolutely a lot to think about about the tile and the layout,
11:30because this is going to be a sample piece of what we're going to use.
11:33And I'm going to make custom pieces for here and here.
11:36And then your wall will be what?
11:38This is going to be stacked three one way and then three the other way.
11:43Oh, very nice.
11:43And like a grid pattern.
11:45My sister-in-law picked that up.
11:47Cool.
11:47All right.
11:48Well, Bill, thank you.
11:48Appreciate it.
11:49Good tips.
11:49I appreciate it too.
11:50Again, we're glad you're here to help us out.
11:52All right.
11:53Thank you very much.
11:57Meanwhile, in North Asheville, the roofing crew is installing a new roof system.
12:02As the crew gets started on the drip edge, I met up with the owner of this operation
12:06to hear about the process and then to lend a hand.
12:12JD, nice to meet you.
12:13Kevin, nice to meet you.
12:14So I presume you've been busy for the last few months with roofs.
12:18We have been very busy.
12:19Once the lane and the aftermath hit of just the cleanup and trying to get everything back together.
12:24Well, we're glad that you can find some time to do this.
12:27So tell me the process.
12:28I see one half they're stripping off the old.
12:31How old was it?
12:32So this roof is about 15 years old.
12:35And once we get this half stripped off, we'll get everything back in and dry and the underlayment on.
12:39You see these guys here, they're starting to put in the drip edge.
12:42And then we went with a waterproofing membrane,
12:43putting in the underlayment and getting ready to start the installation of the shingles here.
12:48So I know a lot of the damage here was actually trees going through the roof.
12:51Are you putting down the shingles a different way given the wind situation here or no?
12:56Yes, we're going to put the shingles down.
12:57It's going to go down basically same application, but we're going to six nail application this shingles.
13:01So we'll have six nails.
13:02It's going to give you an uplift of 130 mile an hour winds.
13:05So that's going to make a big difference here.
13:07If we have another storm like a lane, this will protect that roof from the shingles flying off this roof.
13:12And traditionally, instead of six, you would do how many?
13:14Typically, it's a four nail application.
13:16We'd like to do a six nail application just to give that extra wind warranty and extra uplift.
13:20Okay. Well, I don't know how much help I'm going to be,
13:22but I'm going to get up there and throw in with those guys.
13:24Who am I working with?
13:24You're going to be working with Jaden. That's my son.
13:26Oh, nice deal.
13:27Well, you're a smart man putting him up there.
13:29Staying down here.
13:30Staying down here. Thank you.
13:31I appreciate it, sir. Thank you.
13:33Jaden, how are you? Kevin?
13:34How are you? Jaden.
13:35Nice to meet you.
13:36Good to meet you.
13:36I'm going to be slowing you down today.
13:38Okay.
13:38Working with you.
13:40Your dad was telling me the layers that we've already got up.
13:42Yep.
13:43What do you got next?
13:44So we're going to get started over here in this corner.
13:46We have step flashing going in and then we're going to start doing the kick out diverters.
13:51The step flashing will go where the roof intersects the side wall.
13:55So before you bend that, let me just make sure I understand.
13:57This is not your step flash. When you say kick out, you're trying to create something
14:01that will literally take the water coming off this roof and kick it away from your brick facade.
14:06Yep. Yep.
14:06And you're aiming it where? You want it to go?
14:08We want it to go right into the gutter.
14:10Right.
14:10So without this there, if we were to just put a piece of step flashing in,
14:14water's going to just continue off the roof.
14:16Yeah. And eventually it's just going to come
14:18be running right down that brick facade.
14:19It'll get moldy and nasty and you'll have to clean it.
14:21Yeah.
14:22So we're going to try to prevent that by making this kick out diverter.
14:25So I just take my tongs and just fold this up a little more than 90 degrees.
14:33And then I like to take some snips and I like to cut this off.
14:39We're also going to put another piece of step flashing above this.
14:46So that's the idea right there. That is the step.
14:49It is.
14:50So you've got one piece of flashing underneath that shingle, but over the one before, or it will be
14:54as you go up.
14:55Yep.
14:55The next piece of flashing sits on top of the next shingle.
14:58Yep.
14:59So there's really no way water could ever leak in this wall unless it blew straight up underneath the
15:04shingle.
15:05So once those are in, you can start working this way?
15:08Yep.
15:24So Jayden, I've watched you do it a bunch, but I've got to get my head around your nailing pattern here,
15:28because I'm seeing the six go in, but not evenly spread across. Can you explain to me your methodology?
15:33Absolutely. So if we're going to come in with this next shingle here,
15:38obviously we're going to butt this up where it needs to go. And before we nail this, we've got to
15:43think about the next run of shingles coming in. So as we come in, we'll go ahead and pop this shingle here.
15:50Yeah.
15:51Now, like the course is below it, there's going to be a course obviously over top of this one.
15:56So you know that there's another one coming in.
15:58Yep.
15:58It's going to land somewhere in this vicinity.
16:01Okay.
16:02And so we want to stay away from this as far as possible, but still hold the shingle to the roof.
16:06So you don't want to see a nail here, here, or this area right there.
16:10Yeah. So we want to try to stay four to six inches away.
16:13So with this course below it, where this shingle lands, we're about five inches away, which is good.
16:18And then this one over here, we're plenty far away, so we don't have to worry about this.
16:22Which means you're now going to do one.
16:23One here. So we're going to start here.
16:25One. And there's your gun.
16:27The width of our gun plus a couple inches.
16:29Two, three, four, five, six.
16:34Nice. Very nice.
16:36Kevin, another detail we'd like to try to get right is as we're step flashing up the roof and everything,
16:42we'll finish this all out once we get the full roof on.
16:46So this flashing detail is not complete.
16:49It's not complete yet.
16:50Because right now, I mean, you can see water could come down and get behind this.
16:54Absolutely.
16:55So what we like to do is we'll take a seal tape and we'll seal tape it all the way up our step flashing.
17:00So that's going to actually adhere to the brick, pull the step flashing to it.
17:05Yep.
17:05Absolutely.
17:06And I see you got the roller.
17:07Yep.
17:07So we want to be able to roll this on this brick to get a good adhesion.
17:10So that's, is it temporary for you?
17:13Yeah, it's temporary.
17:14Yeah, it'll stay there for the life of the roof, but it's not our main water protection.
17:19Which is what?
17:20Which is that right there.
17:21If you can hand me that piece of metal right there.
17:22Oh, okay.
17:23So this is our counter flashing.
17:25We just bend this in a metal break and we'll put a little hem on the edge here.
17:30So you guys made this up, right?
17:32We did.
17:32So there's the piece.
17:3490 up top.
17:35Oh, there's, so that's bent over.
17:36That's a hem?
17:36Yep.
17:37That's just so you don't cut your hand on it.
17:38Yep.
17:38And that's a 45.
17:40And what are you going to do with this?
17:41So we'll take this and this is just a little scrap piece, but we'll take this and we'll put it up
17:46against the wall.
17:48So we don't want debris and sticks and leaves and stuff to get stuck underneath this.
17:52So we're going to pull this up off the roof about an inch, giving us a little bit of
17:55a reveal on our step flashing.
17:57And then a 90 that's sticking out now.
17:59So that will be cut into the brick with an angle grinder.
18:03Before we put it in there, we'll put a beat of silicone or some kind of caulking in there.
18:06Yep.
18:07And we'll stick it in and then we'll caulk it in the top of the leg so it's not protected.
18:11This, however, is one of the last things you do.
18:13You're going to put the shingles on this entire roof.
18:15It's going to be the last thing we do, yes.
18:16Good deal.
18:17Listen, man, it's been a real treat.
18:18You know your stuff.
18:19I'm going to tell Daddy he taught you well, but I appreciate it.
18:23And I'm going to stop slowing you down and get out of your hair, but thank you for the lessons.
18:26Absolutely, thank you for stopping by.
18:44So, Kevin, a lot has changed since you were here last.
18:46Oh, yeah.
18:47You've got the drywall up.
18:48Well, that's got to feel good, right?
18:50It does.
18:50It feels a lot bigger in here.
18:51Signs of progress, yeah.
18:53No mud and been picking out some colors.
18:56Yeah.
18:56I'm trying to decide between this like peach and this like dusty pink color.
19:01Wallpaper going up somewhere?
19:02Wallpaper's going in the kitchen above the backsplash.
19:06This is the floor I've picked out for the whole house.
19:09It's a French white oak.
19:10That's going to look terrific.
19:12I love white oak.
19:13So that's all throughout here.
19:15It's a seating area here, right?
19:16Sort of.
19:17Yeah, seating area and then a dining room area.
19:20I'm excited to have, you know, people over and building in a banquet over here.
19:25Very nice.
19:25Yeah.
19:26And kitchen down here?
19:27Kitchen.
19:28A nice big new window.
19:29So now I get to see the river.
19:31So how are you feeling?
19:32Like where's your head?
19:34I feel like I'm about halfway.
19:36That's good.
19:36And I'm doing okay, except when the weather's not good.
19:40Yeah.
19:41And it kind of triggers me when it's windy or storming.
19:44Hopefully that sensation will pass over time.
19:46I hope so.
19:47I'll get used to it.
19:48Onward, right?
19:49Onward Hopper.
19:53Hey, Miguel.
19:53How are you doing?
19:54Hey, fine.
19:54How are you?
19:55Nice to see you, sir.
19:56Will, how are you?
19:57Good.
19:58How are you doing?
19:58I'm doing all right.
19:59All right.
20:00What are we looking at here?
20:01We took the old deck off and we're going to build a new deck right back.
20:06And we discovered a little bit of rot here.
20:08So probably something to do with the door opening, flashing and such?
20:12Yes.
20:12What's your plan of attack?
20:14So I'm just going to cut out this section, put back some new wood,
20:18and then resheathe it.
20:19Sounds straightforward.
20:20I'll give you a hand.
20:21Let's go.
20:22All right.
20:24All right.
20:25What's your plan of attack?
20:26All right.
20:27And that's going to be completely different.
20:28Locking attached to the existing framing will help secure the new section of rim material
20:53that were installed.
20:59We also cut out other areas that are rotted all the way through and replace them with new
21:04material.
21:09Here you are, Kevin.
21:10Oh, thank you.
21:11Right at the infill block.
21:12Yeah, you never know what you're going to find, right?
21:14A couple of wires there.
21:17Okay, so the rod is out, a couple of infills.
21:26So now we'll just add some vertical blocking to support that.
21:33All right, so we've got blocking for support and nailers.
21:41Are you ready to screw this in?
21:43I am.
21:44Do you want to go tight there?
21:51Yeah, we've got a little gap there, so if we could...
22:07Right there.
22:10Okay, that's pretty good right there.
22:14Thank you, Miguel.
22:15You're welcome.
22:16All right, so we get this screwed off.
22:19Okay.
22:20We're ready to keep sheathing, and then we can rebuild that porch, right?
22:23That's right.
22:24Good deal.
22:25All right, man.
22:26Well, we've got more coming up next time, but until then, I'm Kevin O'Connor.
22:29And I'm Will Nicholson.
22:30This Old House here in Western North Carolina.
22:37Next time on This Old House...
22:39We'll show you a system that can make any building airtight.
22:43And in my world, this is a masonry project extraordinaire.
22:48I'm going in.
22:49I want to see the mechanics.
22:50And today, we're at Matt and Melinda's to talk about the trees.
22:54Here on this property, there were three 200-foot trees in the backyard.
22:58They were about to fall on their house if the wind blew the wrong way.
23:02That's next time.
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