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00:00The companion podcast with me, Ed Gamble.
00:02This show is a spoiler sensation,
00:04so if you haven't watched episode 4 of The Traitors yet,
00:06go and watch it now,
00:07and then come back to join us for more deception, drama, and druids.
00:11Coming up, we'll be discussing the shock reveal of the secret traitor's identity.
00:16The latest player to be banished, Ross, is with us
00:18to dissect the surprise roundtable
00:20and the secret he's been keeping this whole time.
00:23Plus, we're about to have our first face-to-face murder,
00:25which I'm going to unpick in detail
00:27with superfans Angela Scanlan and Max Belegde
00:29Series 1 traitor Wilf
00:31and Series 2 faithful turn traitor Myles.
00:39We have to start with the biggest revelation of the series so far.
00:43Fiona is the secret traitor.
00:44Your reactions to that?
00:47Little red riding water.
00:49With a little basket and everything.
00:51She's welcome.
00:53It is, of course, Fiona.
00:54I mean, I was willing it to be Fiona.
00:57Oh, so.
00:58From episode 1, I was like,
00:59please let it be Fiona.
01:00Yeah.
01:01Did any of us suspect that it was Fiona?
01:03Yes.
01:04Angela, did you have any suspicions?
01:05I had, like, hopes that it would be Fiona
01:08because she's so unassuming.
01:10I mean, obviously, everyone was like,
01:11oh, she's playing a good game,
01:12being a bit ditzy and kind of clueless,
01:15as if that was a pretense.
01:17But I thought, oh, that's actually quite an obvious kind of line to tread.
01:20But I just love her voice and her insight
01:26and how sweet she looks outside.
01:28And then she sits in that chair and she's like,
01:30they haven't seen me coming.
01:32She's like rubbing her hands together.
01:35She's a beast and I love her.
01:37I love it.
01:37Yeah.
01:37What about you, Max?
01:38Did you suspect?
01:39I suspected her when she was in the car
01:41and she brought up Rachel's name
01:43because up until that point,
01:44nobody had really suspected Rachel.
01:46And then out of nowhere, she brings it up.
01:48But she didn't try too hard.
01:49And I thought, you know something here, love.
01:51You know.
01:52And she did.
01:53Yeah.
01:53She did.
01:54I thought, to be honest,
01:55it was like, it was so obvious it could have been her,
01:57but it couldn't have been her.
01:58She's so cute and so innocent looking.
02:00She's the perfect pick for it.
02:01She's perfect.
02:02Oh my God.
02:03And then she went so hard for Hugo,
02:04I thought, maybe she's not.
02:06I was watching it going,
02:07surely that it's not going to be another Welsh person.
02:11So many Welsh people.
02:13We've had Amanda.
02:15Amanda.
02:15We've had Andrew.
02:17And then we had Charlotte.
02:17We've had a fake Welsh traitor.
02:19And now another real Welsh traitor.
02:21And Hugo was Welsh as well.
02:23Yeah.
02:23This has done a lot to ruin the reputation for Welsh.
02:26Were there any clues that could have led us to Fiona?
02:29We've got the handwriting.
02:31Did anyone notice similarities with the handwriting,
02:33with the murder shortlist and the slates?
02:36That was one thing.
02:37Oh, I didn't even think of that.
02:39Well, I did think the handwriting was so good
02:42that a younger person might not have done that.
02:45You know what I mean?
02:45I just think like we use,
02:47like younger people use technology a lot.
02:48Speak for yourself.
02:49I've got beautiful handwriting.
02:51But I was like, it's an older person.
02:53That was my initial thought.
02:54I definitely thought it was going to be a female.
02:56Yeah.
02:56It's going to be a female.
02:57Because she was going for the lads all the time.
02:58The men were in the trapping block for a long time.
03:01So it's like, yeah, it's going to be a good lady.
03:04So in episode one, on the way to the mission,
03:06I don't know if anyone else picked up on this,
03:08James says that no one in the car that he's in
03:10does he suspect to be a traitor.
03:12And Fiona's in that car
03:13and does a quiet little sort of smile out of the window,
03:17just glances off.
03:18Oh, I missed that.
03:19Did you catch that?
03:20I did catch that.
03:21But I think Fiona always looks like she's like,
03:23got sunshine, it's a lollipop.
03:25So she's just looking around
03:27and just having a great old time.
03:28I think she's played it beautifully.
03:29She is.
03:30There was also,
03:31and I mentioned this on a previous episode of Uncloaked,
03:33my biggest clue that Fiona was a secret traitor,
03:36the comment of saying,
03:38at home,
03:38I've got a red bather that's a thong.
03:41Your husband's not going to recognise you
03:42when you get home.
03:43You're just doing all the text.
03:44It's how you're going to be.
03:44I'd be like Cindy Crawford.
03:47Be on their watch.
03:48It will.
03:50Yeah, I will.
03:51I've got a little red bather,
03:53which is a thong.
03:55Oh dear, Fiona.
03:57Don't think I need to know that.
03:59That to me is the biggest clue.
04:01Yeah, 100%.
04:02There's no way they're including that in the edit.
04:04It's not a huge clue.
04:06And she threw it in on purpose.
04:07She's like,
04:08I'm going to mention red,
04:09and I'm going to do it.
04:10Is it the other one for me,
04:11hubby at home?
04:13Little wink.
04:14Love her.
04:14Husband's thinking,
04:15I've never seen that.
04:16That's not fair.
04:19She's all talk.
04:20As a former traitor,
04:21how do you rate her gameplay so far?
04:23It's 10 out of 10, isn't it?
04:25It's got to be 10 out of 10.
04:26As long as she tones it down at some point.
04:27It's just great.
04:28And it's entertaining.
04:29It's really entertaining to watch somebody
04:31who's fully in the role
04:32and just enjoying it.
04:33Obviously, I cried all the time.
04:34So it's like watching somebody
04:36who's just enjoying it
04:37and taking it as a game,
04:38it's nice to watch.
04:39Yes.
04:40And Max, as a super fan,
04:41this has obviously been
04:42our opportunity
04:43to play the game at home.
04:44Have you enjoyed that?
04:45Loved it.
04:46Because I was dissecting
04:47everybody's glances,
04:49everybody,
04:49even the tone of their voice
04:51when they would say certain things.
04:52I found myself this season,
04:53more than ever,
04:54really paying attention.
04:55and it just kind of showed to me
04:57how hard it is
04:58as a job of being a faithful.
05:00Let's talk about Fiona's relationship
05:02with the other traitors
05:03now that she's revealed herself.
05:06It's a little icy in here,
05:08isn't it?
05:09Look at you,
05:10Volta Knight Hugo.
05:11Do you know what?
05:12He messed up big time.
05:14So I had to go
05:15gun ho on him.
05:16Okay.
05:16It had to be done.
05:18I basically have done your job
05:20for you for the last few nights.
05:21She's already got
05:26the villain's life.
05:27She's phenomenal.
05:29Unbelievable.
05:30So brilliant.
05:31I think that that could be
05:32her biggest downfall
05:33is like Rachel actually said
05:35earlier in the show,
05:36no two traitors
05:37have ever won it together.
05:39So you've got to have
05:39your fellow traitors on side
05:41really to get to the end
05:42because they can throw you
05:43under the bus
05:44just as easily
05:44as you can throw them
05:45under the bus.
05:46Well, Miles,
05:47you know that more than anyone else.
05:49It's like a minute,
05:49science class.
05:50Thrown under the bus.
05:50What do you make
05:52of the heightening tension
05:53in the turret?
05:53I think the thing is,
05:54I think Rachel
05:55is very much like she said
05:56was the driving seat,
05:58kind of had Stephen
05:59under her thumb
06:00and then Fiona's
06:01come along now
06:01with this kind of powerhouse,
06:03especially with the attitude.
06:04And so the alliances
06:05are kind of shattered
06:06because I think Stephen's
06:07the kind of one
06:07in between the two ladies
06:09and I think it depends
06:10on how it kind of falls.
06:11He just needs to let them
06:12fight out, doesn't he?
06:13Yeah, just don't get involved.
06:14But I think
06:15you do need your tracers.
06:17Your tracers need each other
06:18at certain points
06:19and as soon as that
06:20kind of starts crumbling
06:21as you saw.
06:22Especially this early
06:23in the game as well.
06:24It's very early.
06:25It feels like they need
06:25to stick together
06:26for a little bit.
06:27I mean, obviously
06:27in series three,
06:28we saw a fairly united
06:30traitors tunneling.
06:32It feels like
06:32things are crumbling
06:33pretty quickly.
06:34But I think Hugo
06:35being chucked
06:35so quick
06:36has kind of made them
06:37all a little edgy, maybe.
06:40I think Hugo
06:40was the kind of
06:41common enemy, wasn't he?
06:42He was like,
06:43he's not going to last.
06:44Easy time.
06:45He's not going to last.
06:46The Faithfuls
06:46were annoyed by him
06:47and so were the traitors.
06:48So you've got no chance, mate.
06:50Now, speaking of Fiona,
06:51as we have been
06:52for pretty much
06:52the whole episode,
06:54her take on the mission
06:55was rather relaxed.
06:58She could not care less.
07:00I love it so much.
07:02She's walking around.
07:02Especially trolling him.
07:04What would you say then, Angela?
07:05If you was in that box...
07:06I'm about to die.
07:07I'd be like,
07:08Fiona, babes,
07:09love you,
07:09love your pace.
07:10Generally enjoy
07:11the way you
07:12exist in the world.
07:14Get your arse from here.
07:15You're not sprained in an ankle.
07:16I'm not interested.
07:17The mission as a whole
07:18was quite a brutal display
07:19of allegiances
07:20because people had to pick
07:21the people they were protecting.
07:23Poor Sam.
07:25Poor Sam,
07:26completely alone.
07:27No one picked him.
07:28Apart from Rachel
07:29electing Amanda
07:31over fellow traitor Stephen,
07:32were there any other pairings
07:33that you found surprising?
07:35I think they were quite random,
07:37to be honest.
07:37From what we've seen,
07:38there weren't too many
07:39alliances that I could tell.
07:40Are we surprised
07:42that Sam was the one
07:42who was left out?
07:43No.
07:44No, I was.
07:46No, I wasn't.
07:47I think he gives up that vibe.
07:49Yeah.
07:49I even thought
07:50he was a secret traitor
07:51for a while
07:52because he gives up that vibe
07:54like I'm playing the game
07:55by myself.
07:56Well, soon we'll be getting
07:57Ross's reaction
07:58to the secret traitor twist,
07:59which, unbeknownst to the faithful,
08:01has been controlling the castle
08:02since the start.
08:04But first,
08:04we finish this episode
08:05with traitors Rachel and Fiona
08:07having to put their differences aside
08:08and decide who to kill
08:10to take suspicion
08:11of fellow traitor Stephen.
08:13So their choices
08:14are Sam,
08:16Rhys and Maz.
08:17Protect Maz
08:18at all costs.
08:19What I love about Maz,
08:20he's clearly such a sweet man.
08:22Yeah.
08:23And when he finds out
08:24he's on this,
08:25you know,
08:25big short list or whatever,
08:27that he's one of the people
08:27who could be murdered,
08:29he's like,
08:30oh,
08:30this is awful
08:31to be on the murder short list.
08:32And you want to go,
08:33brother,
08:33you've been on that list
08:34every day.
08:36You've been dodging them
08:37day in day.
08:37Fiona has been whacking you
08:39on the short list
08:40every single day.
08:42Why?
08:42I don't understand
08:43Fiona's problem with that.
08:45He's so innocent.
08:46Yeah.
08:47But I liked how
08:48when he was in the cage,
08:50he's like,
08:51I was in the police force.
08:52This is,
08:53whatever happens here
08:54is grand.
08:56Clearly,
08:56everyone is involved
08:57in the police force.
08:58Quite a lot.
09:00Maz needs to go.
09:01I'm really sorry.
09:02How dare you?
09:03Rhys already has
09:04suspicion on him.
09:05So you'd leave him in
09:06because they're going
09:06to banish him
09:07at some point anyway.
09:08Yeah.
09:08So you'd get,
09:09like,
09:09I'd get rid of Maz
09:10because people would be like,
09:11what's going on?
09:12Why would they get rid of Maz?
09:13It would just cause
09:14a bit more confusion.
09:15Then they'll look at Rhys
09:16a little bit.
09:17And Sam's got a lot
09:18of suspicion on him as well.
09:19Yeah.
09:19So I think that's really sad
09:21to say,
09:21I'm sorry.
09:21I love Maz as well,
09:22but see there.
09:23Do we think murdering Sam
09:24takes the spotlight
09:25off Stephen at all?
09:26Because Sam led
09:27the Judy banishment charge
09:29and he's been a bit quiet
09:30ever since.
09:31Sam just acts
09:32like a traitor sometimes.
09:34He kind of gives that traitor
09:35confidence, maybe.
09:37Doing too much.
09:38If he kind of calms it down
09:40and becomes a good faithful,
09:41I don't think he seems
09:42like he's got a good alliance
09:43with many other faithfuls.
09:44Still really handsome guy.
09:46Oh, Alex.
09:48Because everyone thought
09:49he looked like you.
09:51What, did they?
09:52Sorry.
09:54I'm not on socials very often.
09:57Let's look at murdering Rhys
09:59as an option.
10:00Because it was neck and neck
10:01between him and Ross
10:02at the round table.
10:03He basically just got absolved
10:04of a lot of suspicion on him
10:06because he got so emotional.
10:07No, but the fact
10:08that Stephen saw that happen,
10:10as a traitor,
10:11I would then go,
10:12guys, this happened
10:13in the kitchen.
10:13Murder Rhys.
10:14You know, Harriet saw him crying
10:15and she was a big force
10:17in getting rid of Hugo.
10:18She no longer has
10:18any suspicion on him.
10:20It's kind of useless.
10:20We may as well get rid of it.
10:21Yeah, that's interesting.
10:22But yeah, I suppose
10:23in that moment,
10:25Stephen is not deciding
10:26who to murder,
10:28of course,
10:28because he's locked in a cage.
10:30I mean, I'm gutted for Stephen
10:31because this feels like
10:32a huge mistake.
10:33Did anyone spot
10:34the particular slip-up
10:35at the round table?
10:37Let's have a little reminder.
10:38There is just one point
10:41as well that I wanted to make.
10:43These murders in plain sight,
10:45right,
10:45they are designed
10:46to give us clues, okay?
10:48Because you're asking
10:49the traitor to do something
10:50whilst everyone is running
10:52wild around the castle, okay?
10:53Yeah.
10:54So, who was the last person
10:56I saw at that painting?
10:58Yeah.
10:58And I've spoken to you
10:59before, Maz,
11:00through this process,
11:01and so I was thinking
11:02to myself last night,
11:04you know,
11:05oh, sorry, this morning
11:06after we found out
11:07how, you know,
11:08the thing was done.
11:09Dude.
11:11Dude, he's got to be
11:12more careful.
11:12And he was so confident.
11:14He was like,
11:14I'm going to smash this talk.
11:16One of the tells, though,
11:18I noticed that
11:19is that he finishes
11:20every sentence with okay,
11:21which I think he's
11:21giving himself a breather
11:23to get my next sentence.
11:24It's not enough
11:24of a breather, though.
11:25Okay?
11:27So, last night in the turret.
11:29We were talking
11:29in the turret last night.
11:31Okay, so I'm a traitor,
11:32Faithful.
11:33Well, banished Faithful Ross
11:35joins us next,
11:36but first,
11:37let's see how he
11:37overreacted
11:38when he found out
11:39the identity
11:39of the traitors
11:40just after he left
11:41the game
11:42at Claudia's
11:42surprise morning roundtable.
11:48It's frustrating
11:50having been voted out
11:52as, honestly,
11:54I had a perfect theory.
11:55Come on now,
11:56like, literally,
11:57we know
11:58one of those five
11:59had to be a traitor
12:01and they've set me up.
12:02And ultimately,
12:04I could tell
12:05on that roundtable
12:06they just were not
12:07listening to the facts
12:09that I was laying down.
12:11Traitors-wise,
12:12I think there were four.
12:13And at least
12:14one of those five
12:15who heard Ben's dying words
12:18is a traitor.
12:20And of those five,
12:21Ellie,
12:22I think,
12:22is a traitor.
12:24Stephen,
12:24I think,
12:25is a traitor.
12:25And then Fiona.
12:30It's so hard.
12:31It's so hard.
12:31But I do think
12:33Fiona is a silent assassin.
12:35Final one is Harriet.
12:37And it's just because
12:39of her behaviour
12:41on that last roundtable.
12:42It didn't make sense
12:43that she wasn't listening
12:44to what I was saying there.
12:46Is this now,
12:46is this the point
12:47where I can now find out
12:48who the traitors are?
12:50All right.
12:53Ooh.
12:55There we go.
12:59Oh, mate.
13:00Okay.
13:07Yes!
13:08Stephen,
13:09I did know Stephen
13:11was a traitor.
13:12This makes me feel
13:14so good
13:15because I knew it!
13:16That's a win for me.
13:17I'll give you that.
13:19All right.
13:20Oh, do you know what?
13:20I'm a bit worried
13:20to see who the next one is.
13:25Rachel.
13:33Rachel.
13:35That has stunned me.
13:38Oh!
13:41I'm not going to lie to you.
13:42Rachel was completely off my radar.
13:46I just thought
13:46she was just being
13:47unnecessarily stubborn.
13:49Ultimately,
13:50the traitor's plan
13:51was to get me out
13:52at the round table
13:53and she guaranteed
13:55without suspicion
13:56I'd always get
13:57at least one vote.
13:58I am super surprised
14:00Ellie's not on this list.
14:02She was really
14:03weirdly quiet
14:04at the round table.
14:05That was really weird to me.
14:07That surprised me.
14:08She has been a faithful
14:10and I was wrong.
14:12And Ross is with us now!
14:16Yay!
14:20Welcome to Uncloaked, Ross.
14:21Thank you so much
14:22for having me.
14:23It's a delight
14:24to have you here.
14:24Under sad circumstances,
14:26of course.
14:26You've gone out quite early.
14:28You know what?
14:28I'm actually really happy
14:29with my run.
14:30Honestly,
14:30I feel like
14:31blaze of glory,
14:32you know?
14:32Yeah.
14:33It was a huge blaze
14:34of glory
14:34in a way.
14:37Jilted!
14:37Jilted!
14:38We'll talk about
14:40your whole game
14:40but first,
14:42I do want to hear
14:42why you thought
14:43your own
14:44secret girlfriend
14:45was a traitor.
14:46Listen,
14:46right,
14:47so you lot
14:47don't know
14:48who I ever have at home.
14:49And so,
14:51she'd be like,
14:51freezing up,
14:52I'm really nervous.
14:53I'm like,
14:54I'm literally
14:55under fire here.
14:56Who's got a chance?
14:57Who's nervous?
14:59And so,
15:00I just couldn't empathise
15:01with her finding
15:02the experience
15:03so intimidating.
15:05Was there beefing on you
15:05when you got home?
15:06No, no, no, no, no.
15:07Maybe a little bit, yeah?
15:09It was more,
15:10I was like,
15:10do you know what?
15:11I didn't want her
15:11to go crazy
15:12but I was like,
15:13a little,
15:13a little drag.
15:16A little left hop.
15:17Yeah.
15:18Like,
15:18a little defence
15:19or leading the charge
15:20in an opposite direction,
15:21maybe.
15:22Don't get me wrong,
15:23the plan was,
15:24you know,
15:24we work for the household,
15:25don't sacrifice yourself.
15:26But I was like,
15:27don't do nothing.
15:28Yeah.
15:29Buck me up a bit over here.
15:31But I did see later on
15:32in some bits
15:33that actually,
15:34you know,
15:34she was,
15:35she had my back,
15:35so,
15:36do you know what I mean?
15:36Well,
15:36she must have felt,
15:37she must have felt
15:38quite sort of torn
15:39because she was also
15:40watching you have
15:40the most stressful game
15:42anyone's ever had.
15:43I think because it was
15:44as soon as you got out
15:44of the car,
15:45when normally you can relax
15:46and sort of take the castle in,
15:48Nettie runs towards you
15:49and from that moment on,
15:51you were under suspicion.
15:52At the time,
15:53I'd seen Nettie,
15:55like early,
15:56let's say 20 seconds before.
15:57Yeah.
15:57And so I was like,
15:59yes,
16:00I've got a secret ally.
16:02Not another one.
16:03It's supposed to be 22 strangers.
16:06It's 20 plus Ross and Nettie.
16:08And Ellie.
16:09And Ellie.
16:10Yes, and Ellie.
16:12So,
16:13definitely be for home.
16:16And Nettie's gone,
16:17Ross,
16:18and I'm like,
16:18no,
16:19no.
16:19And so I've frozen
16:20because I'm like,
16:21oh,
16:21this is not good.
16:22And she's run
16:23and she's jumped into my arms.
16:24And the problem with that
16:26is also that I'm like,
16:28everyone was like,
16:29oh,
16:29Ross,
16:29how was,
16:30you know,
16:30it looks really suspicious.
16:31And I'm like,
16:31I don't care about you lot right now.
16:33Someone who,
16:34my partner who has no idea
16:35who they are,
16:36just jumped into my arms.
16:38But you guys have got
16:39the wrong priority.
16:42Oh,
16:42really?
16:43Yeah.
16:43You've got some explaining.
16:45Is there footage anywhere
16:46of Ellie finding you in the castle
16:48and going,
16:48who the hell is that one?
16:49And that's what my actual
16:52initial fear and worry was.
16:54And so what's annoying,
16:55frustrating is,
16:56I'm trying to hang it up
16:57and be like,
16:57oh my God,
16:59who is this?
17:00I can't believe.
17:01It's my platonic friend
17:02from years ago.
17:04Exactly.
17:05Wasn't a platonic friend.
17:06Yes,
17:07yes,
17:07yes.
17:07Okay.
17:08Just for clarity.
17:09It's actually generally innocent,
17:10but it looks terrible.
17:16You guessed Stephen
17:18and we also saw in that clip,
17:20you guessed Fiona as well.
17:21You referred to Fiona
17:22as a silent assassin.
17:24Yes.
17:24You couldn't have been much closer,
17:25you know,
17:26secret traitor,
17:26silent assassin.
17:28I just noticed she,
17:30like,
17:30I've spent a lot of time
17:31with Fiona.
17:32She's switched on.
17:33She's really,
17:34really switched on.
17:35So when she'd say stuff
17:36every now and again,
17:37like,
17:37what did he say?
17:39What did Ben say?
17:41I was like,
17:42you're asking a question
17:44you knew the answer to.
17:45And so,
17:46for me,
17:47I was like,
17:47that was a flag,
17:48but it wasn't like a,
17:49yeah.
17:50And,
17:51and I mean,
17:52we're talking a lot
17:53about the Library Five.
17:54So the people who heard
17:55Ben's final words
17:56to look at you
17:57if he died.
17:58And so you suspected
17:59Stephen because of that.
18:00And Fiona was also there.
18:01It was two of the Library Five
18:02traces.
18:03That's true.
18:04And so in my eyes,
18:06it was those three.
18:08I knew that,
18:10this is going to sound
18:11a bit arrogant,
18:11but I felt like
18:12Fiona would not kill me.
18:16And so because of it,
18:17I was like,
18:17there's no point
18:17actually going out with Fiona.
18:19I'm obviously not going
18:20to ruin the household.
18:22And so Stephen was actually
18:23the only viable person
18:25of that five
18:26who was like,
18:27yeah,
18:27you can go.
18:28And so it just made sense.
18:30So you were so adamant
18:31it was LA.
18:31Like you were like,
18:33I was,
18:35I couldn't,
18:35at that time,
18:36I could not think
18:37of any other reason
18:38for her to be
18:39so out of character.
18:40Like if you know,
18:41if you guys,
18:41I would say if you know Ellie,
18:42she's actually like wild.
18:45Like I'm actually
18:46the calm one.
18:47Really?
18:48Yeah.
18:48She seems so quiet.
18:50That's it.
18:50And so I was more like,
18:51who are you?
18:52Like I was,
18:53I was.
18:54She's only chill
18:55when her boyfriend's
18:55under the threat of vanishment.
18:56It's the only time
18:57she takes a back seat.
18:59You know what?
19:00After watching
19:01the first episode,
19:02I did now notice
19:03that basically
19:04other than us two
19:05on the train
19:06where she's smiling
19:06and a bit like us,
19:07every other scene
19:09was like.
19:10She's terrified.
19:12Can we talk about
19:13the moment on the train?
19:16Obviously,
19:17you're trying to conceal
19:18that you're in a relationship.
19:19I'd say
19:20it's the most obvious thing
19:21I've ever seen in my life.
19:22That conversation,
19:23the,
19:24I'm from London.
19:25Is it?
19:26Is it?
19:27Is it?
19:27Is it?
19:28I went,
19:28is it?
19:29Hey!
19:31That was a good one.
19:33Is it?
19:33I think is it
19:34will be your legacy
19:35on this show.
19:36I hope so.
19:37No one's ever been
19:38that surprised
19:38to hear someone's
19:39from London.
19:41Well,
19:41Ellie's claimed
19:42that she's going to
19:43avenge your banishment.
19:44I hope so.
19:45Yeah.
19:45I hope so.
19:46She should be.
19:47She's got,
19:47I feel like I've laid
19:48the clues,
19:49you know,
19:50with evidence.
19:51So,
19:52beautifully articulated
19:53and very calm.
19:55I just,
19:55yeah,
19:56but then Rachel went,
19:57what was the turret like?
19:58And you were like,
19:58oh,
19:59that was crazy.
20:00Oh my God.
20:01I don't know what anyone
20:02would say in that situation.
20:03I know.
20:04You pretending that you
20:05didn't know what the turret was
20:06was brilliant.
20:06We should talk about this.
20:08Let's remind ourselves
20:08of that moment.
20:10Can I ask you a question?
20:11Please.
20:12Was Hugo this dramatic
20:13in the turret?
20:14Was Hugo this?
20:17I'm sorry,
20:18I don't understand.
20:18Was Hugo dramatic
20:19in the turret?
20:21I didn't,
20:23what turret?
20:26Oh,
20:26she's so evil.
20:27And she's like,
20:27I rest my case.
20:31She's so evil.
20:32I mean,
20:32a brutal move
20:33from Rachel,
20:33I think.
20:34Wild play.
20:35And then she tries
20:35to claim it was a joke
20:36afterwards.
20:37She's like,
20:37I jokingly said this.
20:38It's like,
20:39your face wasn't showing that.
20:39That was the little
20:40jokey joke I've ever seen.
20:42But then,
20:42I mean,
20:43look,
20:43I felt bad for you
20:44for this whole game,
20:45Russ,
20:45because from minute one,
20:47you're like,
20:47no one else is under suspicion.
20:48You get out the car,
20:49Nettie runs up to you
20:50and the game
20:51never slowed down
20:51from that point.
20:52Yes, sadly.
20:53So I understand
20:53there's so much going on
20:54at this point,
20:55you're going to go,
20:56what turret?
20:57But have you worked out
20:58what the turret is yet?
20:59I do now.
20:59Yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:01Hats off to you.
21:02He's had the hardest start
21:04I've ever seen anybody have.
21:05It's the most brutal
21:07Rachel V. Ross
21:08since Friends season.
21:08Yeah.
21:12It's such a leading question
21:13though as well,
21:13isn't it?
21:13I thought that was her slipping up.
21:16So what's really funny was
21:17when that was going on,
21:19I was like,
21:19bruv,
21:20have you just outage yourself?
21:22And also,
21:22what I didn't want to do
21:24at the time as well
21:24was say traitors.
21:26I don't know why,
21:26in my head,
21:26I just thought,
21:27if you say traitors,
21:28people will associate you with.
21:30And I was like,
21:31bruv,
21:31and I still thought
21:32it was a weird thing to say,
21:33but I understand now
21:34the game
21:35was a powerful thing to do.
21:37Max,
21:37how would you cope
21:37in that situation
21:38if you were at the round table?
21:39I think I would cry
21:40and run away.
21:42I don't think that would raise
21:43any suspicion whatsoever.
21:46Ross,
21:46why did you and Ellie
21:47decide to go into the game together?
21:49Oh,
21:49so actually,
21:50Ellie was the one
21:51that applied for us.
21:52And we loved the show.
21:54So we'd watched
21:55two,
21:58season two and three.
21:59And then when she said
22:00we should try for it,
22:02I was like,
22:03you sure?
22:04Because obviously,
22:05so many people,
22:05it's such a popular show,
22:07so many people on it.
22:08And so,
22:08yeah,
22:08I don't really like that.
22:09Has it brought
22:09your closest together?
22:11Yes.
22:13Or has it exposed
22:15some serious flaws
22:16in your relationship?
22:18Love Island.
22:19I have,
22:21yeah,
22:21to be fair to you,
22:22I've seen a lot more,
22:23I've seen a lot more already,
22:24actually,
22:25if that makes sense.
22:26Because I think,
22:27especially in a relationship,
22:27I don't know if you're competitive,
22:29but she'd keep her guard up
22:31quite a bit.
22:32So now understanding,
22:33oh,
22:33that's what that face means.
22:35That'd be really,
22:36really helpful
22:37because like,
22:37no,
22:39it's been good.
22:39I think it's perfect.
22:39I've seen your own reactions
22:40on TV.
22:41It is.
22:42Oh,
22:42that's what my face looks like.
22:44Were there any moments
22:47when you're in the castle
22:48that you nearly slipped up,
22:49that you nearly sort of revealed
22:50a little bit of the secret relationship
22:52to the other players?
22:54No,
22:54I was actually really playing with it.
22:56Weirdly,
22:57our relationship was the most
22:58fun and comfortable thing
23:00for me personally
23:00because I just,
23:01I don't know why,
23:02arrogantly,
23:03I knew nobody would guess.
23:05Yeah.
23:06And especially,
23:07obviously,
23:07after the Nettie scenario,
23:08I was like,
23:08bruv,
23:09we can do whatever.
23:09But there was no point
23:11at the end of the day.
23:12It's going to get you.
23:16At the end of the day,
23:17you didn't like accidentally
23:18kiss her on the lips
23:19and then have to kiss
23:19everyone on the lips.
23:22That's why he got banished.
23:24It's not an excuse anymore.
23:27Yeah,
23:28we're going to have to
23:28get rid of Ross.
23:29He keeps snogging at her.
23:32It's obviously out there now
23:34that you and Ellie
23:35are in a relationship.
23:36But when the first
23:37three episodes were going out,
23:39have you been
23:39trying to not be seen together
23:41or trying to keep it safe?
23:43So, yes,
23:44we've had to leave
23:45the house at separate times
23:46where we went to go
23:49watch the first episode
23:49at My Family's Together.
23:52Ellie took a big jacket
23:53and sunglasses
23:54and it's going over the top.
23:57And I get it,
23:57to be fair,
23:58because we live where we live
23:59and so we don't want people
24:00just to ruin the fun.
24:02Yeah, yeah.
24:02And so, yeah,
24:03we've been doing
24:03every bit extra,
24:05which has been a bit long,
24:06but it's fun.
24:07And also,
24:08and telling friends,
24:09bruv.
24:10Yeah,
24:10because I was going to say,
24:11the neighbours next door,
24:12like,
24:12hey, yeah.
24:14They're neighbours.
24:15They're my neighbours.
24:16I've been using this emoji
24:16non-stop
24:17and then everyone else
24:18has been like,
24:19keep it to yourselves.
24:20And also,
24:20because it's fun.
24:21You get to share in the secret.
24:22You're in the circle.
24:24Yeah, yeah, yeah.
24:25Who do you think
24:26is going to survive
24:27tonight's face-to-face murder,
24:28Ross?
24:29We've obviously got...
24:30Stephen.
24:31We've got Stephen.
24:32Stephen will survive.
24:34Really?
24:35Are you all right?
24:36We should survive,
24:37because obviously,
24:37if I was a traitor,
24:38I'm keeping him to heaven.
24:39Yeah.
24:40I'd probably kill Maz.
24:42That's what I said.
24:43I said that.
24:44But we love Maz.
24:45I love Maz.
24:46I'm sorry, Maz,
24:47but explain yourself.
24:48I love Sam,
24:49but Sam has rubbed some people
24:51not the right way.
24:52Yeah.
24:52So, actually...
24:53The wrong way.
24:54Ross is so nice,
24:55he won't even say the word wrong.
24:56He's not obsessed with him
24:57the incorrect way.
24:59Yeah.
25:00You've rubbed me
25:01not the right way.
25:06A little feedback for you there.
25:09Yeah.
25:10The turret.
25:11Yeah.
25:11What turret?
25:12Yeah.
25:12Yeah.
25:12Ross,
25:14although your time
25:15was cut savagely short,
25:16you've entered
25:16the traitor's history books
25:18because you are
25:19the second Ross
25:20to be in a secret relationship.
25:22Oi!
25:23The other one with his mum.
25:24Yeah.
25:26Of course.
25:26Sad season.
25:28You follow
25:29in the footsteps
25:29of secret son Ross
25:31to Diane,
25:32who is, of course,
25:33Miles' murder conquest.
25:35Congratulations.
25:36We'd like to commemorate
25:37that here on Uncloaked.
25:39A little portrait
25:39for you to take on.
25:42So you can have
25:43the other Ross
25:44at home.
25:45We'll have all the Rosses.
25:46All the Rosses.
25:47We can take that home with you.
25:48And we've sent him
25:49one of you as well.
25:51Nice.
25:53Well, we're out of time
25:54for part one,
25:55but we'll keep chatting
25:55over on BBC Sounds.
25:57I'm going to ask Ross
25:58more about his secret
25:59in the castle
25:59and if Fiona's arrival
26:01in the turret
26:01will make or break
26:02the traitors.
26:03Plus, there'll be more
26:04from Angela, Max,
26:05Wilf and Miles.
26:06It's all in your
26:07bonus episode of Uncloaked,
26:08which you can hear right now.
26:09Just scan the QR code
26:10on the screen
26:11and listen to us
26:12as you get ready for bed.
26:13I'm back on Thursday night
26:14straight after episode five
26:16with celebrity faithful
26:17Mark Bonner
26:18and series three
26:19faithful Fosier
26:20to see who hasn't
26:20made it through the night
26:21and if that murder
26:23has successfully thrown
26:24the scent off of
26:24traitor Stephen.
26:26Big thanks to Angela,
26:27Max, Wilf,
26:27Miles and Ross
26:28and to you for watching.
26:29I'm Ed Gamble
26:30Stay Faithful
26:31The Traitors return
26:37tomorrow at eight
26:38on BBC One.
26:40Now with embarrassing
26:41stories and the prank
26:42that went too far,
26:43Joe Muller will see you now
26:45here is podcast
26:45on Sounds.
26:47Next, do you believe
26:48in life after death?
26:49Well, Dawn French
26:50may change your mind
26:51in new comedy.
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27:04Can you keep a secret?
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