Some might consider the following a rant, personally
I just feel passionately about php and feel I need to speak up.
that you might consider it/me irrelevant or 'moany' is your
privelege - so with all due respect (
Ilia Alshanetsky wrote:
On 11-May-06, at 4:37 PM, Brian Moon wrote:
How did this thread turn into complaining about tests? The complaint was about breaking working code. I don't give a crap about tests. I want my code to work. And, I believe that was the original point of this thread.
Complaining about your code not working does not earn you any brownie points,
either propose a patch to fix things or proactively develop PHP tests that reflect your code so that when developers make changes they
I suggest that some developers need show some restraint in making changes to
satisfy their own personal aesthetic tastes, any normal phper can live with someone
making a breaking change in order to fix an exotic segfault issue (or whateve) however
painful it might be, but forcing some purist OO crap on many people that breaks
existing code because one person thinks a certain way if the [only] correct way is
tantamount to project sabotage (it damages php's credibility which harms phpers across
the board).
trying hard not to breaking existing code (even when it grinds against ones' sense of
correctness) should be a higher priority that it has *seemingly* been in the past.
can clearly see something was broken by the change.
submitting patches requires a level of skill which not everyone has - so basically
the 'rich' (people with good C skills) have a say and the rest can pretty much bend over.
submitting adequate tests again requires skills, resources, insight and knowledge
that most of us mere mortals don't possess - on top of which I would suggest that a
level of psychic ability is required to predict changes that only exist in some a
imaginary future which, again, most of us mere mortals don't possess.
in both the case for patches and tests submitting neither does anthing to relieve the
problem of breakages in released versions, and there are plenty of people out there
that are at the mercy of a sysadmin (or distro) with regard to what version they can
use.
regardless it *sounds* very much like your passing the buck, given that your
the RM I suggest the buck should probably stop with you.
kind regards,
Jochem