Re: Wake up

From: Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:17:54 +0000
Subject: Re: Wake up
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Le 11/09/2013 16:06, Arvids Godjuks a écrit :

2013/9/11 Lester Caine <[email protected]>


Arvids Godjuks wrote:


P.S. While I was writing this, 4 people posted. Only Patrick Schaaf posted
usefull information. If this would be a forum - those 3 posts should be
marked as off topic and hidden by default.



But who decides what is off topic.
There are genuine disagreements as to how PHP should move forward, if
someone has control of the communication channel they can influence what is
seen.

I agree with the general sentiment of what is being said, but I recall
Rasmus saying he just wanted stability. I just want to get back to a system
I can use ...



Well, I have to answer that, don't I? :)

As I see it, there never is a single moderator - it is usually a team. And
posts are never truly deleted, so if someone has done something bad, it can
be verified and action can be taken.
Off topic is when the content of the message does not relate to the initial
theme of the thread. I usually just go with my gut on these things - you
have to stop the derailment at some point, or you can be forced to clean up
quite a lot. Many times just a reminder to stay on track from the moderator
does the trick - you leave the messages where they are in that case and no
one is hurt.

It's not black and white of course, depends on the situation.

We all want stability, I for once want it badly, because I saw how decent
RFC's and proposals were just shredded to pieces and people just gone "f**c
it, i'm out". We need a filter. That is what i'm proposing.



That's not the first time I mention it, but Discourse (http://www.discourse.org/) seems like the kind of forum software appropriate for some of these problems.

It allows:

- branching off conversations (you all know how this is one of the biggest problem here)

- community moderation: several people flagging the same reply -> it gets hidden

- good online interface: I am on the point of view of the readers of this mailing list, and reading that list is *very* difficult. It's either you subscribe and let you personal email get bombarded (we are not all on gmail), either you use a weird mirror that mixes up all emails and don't let you distinguish threads and discussions

- easy login (openid): again, if you want to contribute from times to times to the discussion, you have to subscribe, and that's opening the gates of hell

They are also working on having it work like a mailing list, i.e. getting all the posts as mail, and, I think, be able to reply by email also.

Just a reminder: do you know stackoverflow? How it changed the game with finding answers to technical questions on the web. Well discourse is by on of the authors, with the same spirit. It seems like very good software, very far from what "forum" comes to everybody's mind, and quite appropriate to *some* of the problems here.

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