On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 12:27 AM, Gordon Oheim <
[email protected]> wrote:
Not sure where I said anything about blocking, but for the record: I don't
question your motivations or intentions. Not at all. Sorry, if it came
across that way. I appreciate all the hard work you put into HHVM and PHP. I
agree about consistent implementations, but I also think the main driver
here should be the community and not FB. Otherwise FB will be able to
dictate PHP's future once HHVM has reached critical mass. Has nothing to do
with you personally (or anyone else on your team). It's just a concern I
have and judging by some other responses, I am not alone with that concern.
Right there is what I'm talking about.
You're making assertions about PHP being a community driven project
against a backdrop of evil mr corporation being antithetical to that
goal. I am a member of this community as well, and when you call my
commitment into question just two sentences after apologizing for
"coming across that way", then it's not an apology and I return the
favor by calling your intentions into question.
Let me be clear: HHVM will never be able to dictate PHP's future. PHP
is more than its engine. PHP is the people who drive it forward, both
here on this list and around the community building tools and
frameworks and everything else. If it does hit a critical mass, then
you know what will happen? We'll take what we want from it (because
users are asking for it), and we'll leave what we don't. That's not
HHVM bullying us into doing something, that's PHP growing in response
to community demand.
I know we're not always going to agree on how a feature should be
implemented (or even that it should). The RFC process exists so that
we can collectively decide what's best for the language. But you can
bet your ass I'll get pissed when it comes down to: "Let's go for a
different syntax... just because", or worse "because fuck hhvm".
I'm not saying that's entirely happening here, at least one good
argument for the proposed syntax has been put forth, but it's happened
on a number of rfcs recently and the tone is certainly coming across
from some posts on this one. I don't appreciate this trend of
sabotaging PHP, then blaming me for "trying to block features" when I
ask for a discussion on consistency. Because that is personal, even
if you claim it isn't.
-Sara
Just that I never accused you of any of these things. I usually don't even comment on other RFCs. I apologize again if it's coming across any different (although it annoys me that I have to say that for the third time now). So all I can ask from you is to take it as I tell you now: it's *not* personal. It's not my intention to question your commitment or blaming you of sabotaging PHP or whatever you think I wrote there. Because I didn't. I have no interest in drama. It doesn't even have anything to do with what is or isn't in HHVM, really. I told you what I am concerned about and why I prefer my proposal over Ctor Promotion. Believe it or not, but there is no hidden agenda or politics. I don't have time for that.