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Elon maybe a huge turd but I think the plan is to use spacex’s propulsion systems when the mission will involve landing on the moon in future.
I don’t care about neither. Once they start clearing space debris or do something else that actually benefits us I may start cheering.
…shared excitement…? I’ve not heard a single mention of this artemis mission outside of lemmy and reddit, literally nobody cares about it
I’ve heard a bit of news coverage about it.
Practically soaking I think it’s not exactly a worthwhile goal, we don’t have any particularly concrete expectations about what we are going to get out of boots on the moon that we didn’t already do. However the general public is still moved by the idea for now.
I was at a restaurant and they had the splash down in the Pacific and everyone cheered. The kids had the launch earlier on in the house. This was the first mission in decades I’ve seen this much support for.
Yeah, similar for me. A big party we were all going to was starting around the same time the splashdown was happening and a majority were stopped, watching on their phones. Groups huddled in the parking lot, buzzing conversations. I was pretty surprised by it.
In Spain they did talk a while about it.
I mean… If SoaceX had sent people around the moon, then I think the general public would have been interested in that.
I think it was more about the mission, not the org that made the craft.
SpaceX doesn’t even send people into space itself. They mostly just send exploding debris into the ocean.
They’re the main way of taking astronauts to the ISS.
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People have been really hyped for space x, when they first landed a booster and now when they do test launches of Starship and when they caught the super heavy booster it was incredible.
People care about Artemis II because it’s crewed spaceflight to the moon. Artemis I didn’t get nearly as much attention.
By “people” you mean space nerds. But Artemis crossed over into the mainstream.
So did the starship launch, it was all over the news and randoms at my work were talking about it.
And the dual Falcon Heavy booster landing way back.
Back then the SLS programme seemed like the worst kind of wasteful mismanaged project that’ll never fly and would be made obsolete by Starship before complete, these days I’m glad there’s something left to cheer for since the only moral choice is to hope that everything SpaceX makes explodes on the pad.
Muskrat blows up 50 rockets for sport and puts air travel at risk for the lulz. SpaceX was initially interesting in that small vacuum of NASA activity, but nowhere in the same wheelhouse. All flash and no substance, like the rest of the tech bro industry.
You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
Falcon 9 has the best launch record of any rocket ever. Its also vastly reduced the cost of rocket launches enabling space science to become accessible to way more people.
The booster recovery is still unmatched by anyone else and starship is a work of engineering magic and is still due to be the first ever fully reusable launch system.
I’d ask you what Musk’s asshole tastes like, but I don’t want to smell your breath.
Near the moon anyway
Ok I’m going to be that guy who sounds like a musk fanboy but rest assured I fucking hate that Nazi. That said, people don’t care about spacex launches because they have become so routine as to be boring.in a historical context there came a point where people stopped caring about airplanes because they stopped crashing. This is good. Rockets becoming reliable enough to become boring and routine is a net gain for humanity. I just wish spacex weren’t owned by that goose stepping fascist
Agreed. I think people need to understand that Musk isn’t a scientist, he’s just the money. The actual people working at SpaceX are doing great stuff.
Maybe they should go work for NASA and not a fucking Nazi.
Youngsters don’t realize that people became fucking bored with the Apollo missions after 11. Apollo 13 generated some buzz because the crew was probably going to die, but that’s it. Same thing happened with the space shuttle.
Well also personally I lost interest because I got sick of Elon time. I’m pretty sure by his estimate we were supposed to have megastructures by now.
It’s also worth noting that reusable rockets are interesting but if they just go up deploy satellite and then come back down that’s not very interesting compared to going to the moon.
I know SpaceX are supposed to be building a lunar lander but we’ve heard nothing about that for years now. Where is it, Artemis III is going to need it in less than a year. Have they even started construction?
I’ll preface this by saying I hate musk as much as the rest of us.
But reusable rockets have better uses than deploying satellites. If a large space station/docking station/transport hub is built in higher orbit, reusable rockets could carry cargo to/from Earth’s surface.
Slight tangent:
They can be designed better to reduce chemical fuel consumption. Like a 5-phased operation: takeoff->ramjet->scramjet to get reach hypersonic speeds in the upper atmosphere -> then only using enough rocket fuel for orbital insertion -> finally changing to ion thrusters to reach the higher levels of orbit.
Instead of just straight burning rocket fuel from surface to upper orbit, let alone to the moon and back.
Stage two could involve using solar sails to travel from the Earth’s upper-orbit transport hub to a similar hub located at a Lagrange point in lunar orbit. (This is optimized around the full moon; return voyages would be optimized around the new moon, when the earth is “downwind” from the sun and moon).
Stage three would be from lunar orbit station to lunar surface; a simple lander can handle this pretty efficiently. This eliminates the need to carry lunar landers to/from earth on every voyage.
Expansion:
Similar systems could apply for interplanetary transit (eventually), but the solar sails might only work one-way for those (returning from venus/mercury, or going out to mars/jupiter/saturn); so another solution would need to be engineered for the other leg of those journeys.
I’m pretty sure by his estimate we were supposed to have megastructures by now.
This exactly. Musk has been talking ginormic shit for decades, and delivered peanuts. Destroying the USA in the process.
How good is the re-usability even going? That’s the only plus I see wrt SpaceX.
boring
Another E Musk company. (sorry, couldn’t resist)
But isn’t “going further than ever before (humaned)” a bit different from “launching another dozen or so satellites into orbit”?
We stopped the space exploration shit on our own and I suspect the lack of interest in Artemis has less to do with Elon blowing rockets up, sending a car into space, and using it as another portal for him to be the biggest fucking government welfare grifter of all time… and more to do with the fact that a lot of us are stressed, starving, and/or worried about the near future.
The fuck does slingshotting around the moon do right now to help us? Does it bring pedophiles to justice? Does it give us hope? Nope. I was jealous that they got to leave this God forsaken burning bullshit planet for a few days.
Nothing good is happening at the moment. The bread is stale. We’ve all seen the circus shows.
I’m tired. I’m angry. I don’t give a fuck about space.
I wouldn’t be into SpaceX if it were owned by the nicest capitalist on Earth. I just want one thing to be free from capitalist exploitation. Swiftly followed by everything else.
People would be more excited for SpaceX missions, if it wasn’t owned by a Nazi pedophile lover.
After the 100th launch to put more junk in orbit, it not only gets boring but it’s also annoying knowing how much crap is being put into the sky.
I’d guess after the 50th or so launch to the moon that people would be less interested as well.
It’s true, it became mundane to people after the first couple of Apollo launches from what I’ve read. While I am genuinely interested in space exploration and colonization in the long term, I also think we have to focus on building a resilient existence on our home world, before we destroy it for ourselves.
50? We didn’t get past 6 crewed landings the first time.
- Plenty of people were interested in Spacex flights. People did sour after he stopped looking like iron man and started being lex luthor by opening his mouth more
- Artemis is still not as impressive/envelope pushing to joe sixpack, since it’s “just” flying around the moon again. By this time, we are expecting moon bases or other advances of technology, since you know, actually LANDING on the moon started in the late 60s. It’s been 60 years.
since you know, actually LANDING on the moon started in the late 60s. It’s been 60 years.
Yeah, but that was just to beat the soviets. After that, everyone forgot about space travel.
Also, before building bases on the moon, it would make sense to build Lunar Gateway on a LaGrange point. It could provide a transport hub to/from the surface and orbit, and to/from lunar orbit to Earth’s orbit. That way there wouldn’t be need for one vehicle that can take off and land on the moon, and travel between the Earth and moon.
There could be one class of vehicle for each phase. Another class of vehicle would handle transport from Earth’s surface to orbit. So three classes of vehicle for three total stages. It would be more efficient this way.
Even to the space crowd, SLS doesn’t really introduce anything new.
But when the Falcon 9 landed, and then the heavy’s dual landing. That was hype.
I forgot that yeah, part of the hype was the re-useable rockets and their landing, which wasn’t going new places, but was doing something new.
Honestly, I didn’t know Artimus was happening. That’s how busy the news is. I saw memes about astronauts and Outlook, assumed it was the ISS, and only when I saw the pictures of the Earth from the moon was I like “Wait, what? We have humans going to the moon right now? And they’re already there? When did that happen?”
They’re living out their dreams, and doing something very rare for our species, and I wouldn’t recognize them if they were in line in front of me at the grocery store. Huh.
I think it’s *Artemis. And II, specifically. This mission was the farthest any known human has been from Earth. They’re doing several more in the Artemis line, including putting boots on the moon (2029, I think)
The space race is back.
I love the qualifier “known human” hahahaha!
I fucking hope they stop this shit. Blatant disregard for others is to much.
I think that’s just you.
somehow, I’m completely indifferent.
I love science, and space, put in 1000s hours in Kerbal Space Program. followed space news though all my life. but now? with all that’s going on. A genocide perpetrated by a country claiming it’s for me, the US has become a fascist hell hole, rights are eroding so fast… I genuinely don’t care about this anymore.
if it was a few years ago I would me following with exhalted breath. I would have taken time off work, and taken the kids off school to follow it, and play KSP emulating the mission. and watch space movies. and YouTube videos about the mission and spaceship… I was a massive space nerd.
Can’t care about one rocket on the moon when we are sending thousands of rollers to kill civilians
I feel this so much. I followed every NASA mission starting around 1965, with Gemini. I got a subscription to National Geographic because they had the best space pictures. I was an Apollo 11 fanboy, and cut articles out of the newspaper and put them in a scrapbook. I had models of the Saturn V and the Lunar Module. I was a hard core space kid.
But now it feels so empty. The entire world is a mess, and it’s probably going to get a LOT worse before it gets better, and I just don’t feel like cheering for my country anymore. I love the Olympics, but I couldn’t get into it this year. This was basically Apollo 8, with more complex computers (that didn’t work), and 1000x the budget. It’s hard to get excited about re-inventing the wheel, especially when everything else is so bad.
The wealthy (and the MAGA government is just an extension of the wealthy) would rather throw their money away on rockets, than spend an extra dime on taxes or higher wages. If not rockets, than AI, or some other cockamamie expensive solution in search of a non-existent problem. I just can’t stop thinking about what a waste of money all of this is, when America is such a shithole country.
Epstein’s on the Moon, whee.
not gonna crop out that username? isn’t that an ad for Betty Bowers?
No, that’s kinda c/microblogmemes’ whole thing.
Do you like that ad?
no, I’m pointing it that it’s not one, it’s just the name of the person who said the thing
Then that make your original comment pointless, as you are calling on me to crop something that you said it’s an ad, while you know it isn’t.
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Huh?!
not gonna crop out that username? isn’t that an ad for Betty Bowers?
You’re literally the one calling names adverts, were the first to bring it up, and the other person didn’t say anything on the topic except in response to you.
Are you confusing OP with someone else?
beep has become notorious over in !comicstrips@lemmy.world for sleazily cropping out artist attributions, stating that they consider them to be “ads”. It led to so much uproar that a new mod came in and the community rules were overhauled.
Oooooh. Drama.
Credit artists.
Cite references.It’s the internet. Hyperlinking is foundational.
beep even uses AI to substantially alter artists’ comics, including dialogue and artistic details. It’s as if he’s sitting there saying “hey slopbot, remove the artist details” and posting whatever he gets back.
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We should nationalize space x
And Starlink. We paid for it, it’s ours.
Very cute.
It also helps that this one didn’t explode immediately due to lazy fast-fail engineering, scattering billions of tax dollars across the landscape while a bunch of drunken tech dude-bros cheer.
Probably would’ve been cheaper, faster, and better engineered if they did though. The reason NASA doesn’t do it is PR.
NASA funding is dependent on public opinion (well it was until recently). Blowing up rockets gets people really upset when they think it’s their tax dollars.
Somehow SpaceX has convinced people it’s a private company and not funded by government contracts and taxes.
Blowing up rockets gets people really upset when they think it’s their tax dollars.
I love spaceflight and what the Artemis II accomplished, but it came with an absolutely staggering price tag. It cost a bit more than $50 Billion to design including both the rocket and the Orion capsule. It costs $1Billion each time it launches too. We only bought enough parts for 4 flights of the rocket, and we’ve now used 2 of those.
I’m not commenting on the cost, just that people get cranky when rockets blow up that they think are funded by their tax dollars.
SpaceX gets away with it and I honestly don’t know why bcz their contracts have been all government until pretty recently. But Elon Musk managed to convince people it was privately funded.
SpaceX gets away with it and I honestly don’t know why
For the same reason all private spaceflight companies (like Firefly, Rocketlab, and Blue Origin) “get away with it”. Blown up rockets aren’t paid for by tax dollars. Private spaceflight customers, and yes, the government, only pays for successful launches.
bcz their contracts have been all government until pretty recently.
The contracts are for successful flights. If a SpaceX rocket blows up that was paid for by the government, the government (taxpayers) don’t pay for that launch.
Commercial spaceflight launches are much MUCH better finanical deal for taxpayers than the traditional NASA “cost-plus” contracts, SLS being the most recent example.
Because it’s not…? They get the contracts because they’re the cheapest option, and these days they make more money through Starlink anyways.
And who else should CRS have gone to? Lockheed Martin and Boeing?
When SpaceX was founded literally all of their contracts were government contracts.
Yeah they were saved early on by NASA’s private commercial development programs. Are you saying NASA should not have implemented these programs? Do you prefer cost plus contracts?
I was simply commenting on the fact that people think SpaceX is a private company. It may be a private company on paper, but it’s first contract was an ISS contract funded by tax payer dollars. To me, that’s not a private company, that’s all.
Are you saying that any company that takes government contracts initially should not be considered a private company? Wouldn’t this apply to all launch providers? Why is SpaceX singled out?
I feel there was less excitement about the Artemis launch than early Space X launches. And it’s hard to stay excited when things become routine.
I mean one (if I’m remembering correctly) went further into space than any human has been thus far, the other is an interesting technical step to normalising space flight.
It’d be very weird if people were equally excited about both.
