Feddit.onlineGermany has just made the standard Open Document Format (ODF) mandatory
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That’s a big one and the Netherlands, Portugal, Norway and the UK apparently already do. In no time it will be mandatory in all EU countries.
The Netherlands seems to have it mandatory since 2009, but I’ve never seen it used. My wife works for the municipality, and she has never heard of it either.
Hmm, that’s bad. I wonder for whom it is mandatory then.
TuuktuukI understood this as meaning that the file format must be supported by all government institutions. And it probably is supported. Up to a point. Because Microslop has a very bad-quality odf support in Word. Meaning: The support exists. It might not be able to read or save simple odf files that could be opened with anything else than Word, but the support exists all the same. Law fulfilled, all is good!
ByteJunkMy kids’ public school is full microslop - outlook branded emails, meetings via teams, .docx files, SharePoint document sharing 🤮
I love the initiative, but in reality we’re very far away.
Now they just have to stick to it. The European Commission agreed to using ODF nearly a decade ago if memory serves and it has been very bad at it. Given that ODF is also maintained by Microslop in OASIS, I think they will continue to sabotage it so that they will generate incompatible versions with their shitty 360 crap.
They messed up on this only days ago! Has been fixed though:
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/03/05/cra-guidances/
ODF and PDF/UA are explicitly named as the two mandated document formats, to the exclusion of proprietary alternatives.
Mandatory is nice, but nowhere could I find the information:
For whom, and for what, and when?
EunieAn absolute tangent, but why are certain worlds in German “glued togetht”?
“Bundesministerium für Digitales und Staatsmodernisierung”
Isn’t this for “digital and state modernization”? Like, modernization applies to both, right? Why is one merged together but not the other?
No, modernization only applies to Staatsmodernisierung. Otherwise you’d say something like Digital- und Staatsmodernisierung. But that would make little sense as Digitalmodernisierung would mean that we already have all the necessary digital processes but they are old and need an overhaul.
A rough translation of Digitales on the other hand would be “things that are digital”, which implies that it also includes improving digital processes.
Makes sense, got it. So if it applied to both words, the way you’d signal that is by hyphenating the previous word?
Seems so strange to just have a hyphen lying there in the middle of a phrase, but that’s just my lack of familiarity.
Yes exactly! Like for example Hoch- und Tiefbau. You could still write it out: Hochbau und Tiefbau. But to me that just sounds redundant.
I understand why the world is the way it is, but still it should have been obvious all along that it is not ideal for the government to data in a file format owned by a company. Even worse, a foreign company.
NostraDavidDo note that xlsx, docx, etc, are all just .zip files with XML files inside. If such a file is corrupt, extract it, and check what you can salvage.
That being said: Still controlled by MS, and thus a potential threat to the EU.
somethingDotExeMost—certainly not all, but most—documents that are written in Microsoft Word, or in LibreOffice Writer, would be better off as either markdown plain text files, or as LaTeX.
CMV.
*with accessibility tags applied.
I’m afraid I’m not sure what you mean here. Both markdown and LaTeX are plain text. They’re easily read by a screen reader. Though unless the screen reader is specially-designed for LaTeX support, it may be difficult to comprehend. That’s on the screen reader though, not the document format.
I assume they mean stuff like image descriptions that you can add in Microslop Word (don’t know about LibreOffice). It’s quite a neat feature that wouldn’t work with markdown (might work with LaTeX), because these image descriptions are not visible to someone reading a document.
Image descriptions are a thing in markdown. Images are inserted into markdown documents with this syntax:
Correct, accessibility also differentiates between titles and content, to better assist readers who use a screen reader.
I replied to the other user showing how markdown image descriptions work. Titles are added with hashes.
# title
## subtitle
Text
### sub-sub title
Etc.
Screen reader should pick that up.
It’s a bit trickier in LaTeX (depending on layout), given they convert to an untagged pdf by default using pdftex. For defaults such as section/subsection etc I think some auto-tagging has been added, but my memory is not great.
Issues crop up when you need to hack something (e.g. indenting parts of a proof using the quote environment to aid readability, creating more complex tables, or just using coloured text to indicate element relations), and here manual tagging is a must!
Hear hear
90% of everything I read/write is either plaintext, explicit .md, or some .md-adjacent proprietary markup language (Atlassian, BBcode,…)
I don’t think it’s really possible to have a reasonable argument against a vendor agnostic open standard in most cases.
Typst is the modern LaTeX. It’s really good, fast and compiler errors are actually understandable.
loutrSure, but 99% of MSO/LibreOffice users would quit after about 45s of trying to put together a document in LaTeX.
When are we going to have the equivalent for PDF documents, with the ability to comment, fill and sign, as in AdobeAR?
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good!
I’m gonna repeat this, as expressed here, to a few people
As a guy who worked with property recods in US fucking yes. Some states gove the records in a closed format invented by one company. So you have to have their software if you want to work in some states.
Add it to the pile of illegal shit that is legal I guess…
I’ve heard building codes can be just as bad, some places the law just says to follow a book and you have to pay some company like $300 to get the book and license things
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Sick! Are there any more of these?
!upliftingnews@lemmy.world
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Hell yes. I wonder how many man-hours of strategy meetings MS had on their calendars to fend that decision off.
Based
Isn’t odf the one used by libre office?
More than that, it’s standardization made MS panic and pseudo-standardize their OOXML (.doc*x* & co.) a year later, since some govt wanted to switch to ODF back in 2007, instead of relying on some proprietary format. The *pseudo*, because most of the format is proprietary extensions (and only the strict variant is standard-conformant, which MS doesn’t set as default), which made the standardization a …unusual process.
Btw, usually, there’s only one standard format for a specific usecase.
Edit: typo
Yes and they switched form MsOffice to Libre like few years ago for all government agencies
Isn’t it odt that LibreOffice uses? I wonder what the difference is.
Open document text is a subset of open document format
Thank you!
Gotta love Germany.
Fun fact: the German equivalent of the BBC, DW, will teach you German if you want to learn it, for free. A but niche but a nice thing to do!
https://www.dw.com/
DW isn’t the equivalent of the BBC. It’s more of a equivalent to e.g. Radio Free Europe. DW is entirely funded by the German government, in contrast to the BBC or ARD/ZDF which are independently funded. I’m not saying DW is bad, but it isn’t the equivalent of the BBC.
I remember reading this headline in 2004
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Their contract with Microslop must be up for renegotiation.
Much of Europe break their own procurement laws to choose Microslop, no idea why.