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Don’t kid yourselves. Once Europe develops its own big tech, it’s going to be just as untrustworthy. But at least it will be your untrustworthy.
For now, the EU has strong data protection laws that the US and China don’t have. Although it is true that stupid ideas like Chat Control keep popping up every couple of years.
Ideally, though, you put them in countries close to the EU but not part of it, like Switzerland.
I honestly feel safer with my data in a foreign authorities hands than domestic.
China can’t do dick to me nor should they want to. I’m just a lil guy! The US does nasty things to its citizens on the reg, I don’t wanna be caught up in that!
I dont trust the US with my data … or anything. This place is run by literal idiots and/or criminals.
TIL I’m European.
Seems like 2 out of 10 Europeans need to get their head checked.
If we’re being real I don’t really trust anyone with my data.
Don’t trust anyone, not even yourself.
Full time ass job to keep up with every single security bulletin.
Send it to me. I’ll keep it safe. I promise not to share it.
Joke is on you, I trust no one with my data.
Me neither, not even myself.
I forgot my own name. Can somebody tell me where my home is?
Try Google it, I’m sure they’ll know.
I trust Chinese firms more than American ones…
If I’m going to ask for ai help because I don’t know how to do basic coding, I’m asking deepseek instead of clammy sam Altman bot
I trust that Chinese Firms won’t directly lead to my door being kicked in by ICE.
That is more than I can say about American firms.
This applies only if you’re american. Which is a small part of the world.
Chinese firms are more worthy of your trust than american ones, but its still not a positive number.
I can unterstand that but it still sound like copeing to me.
I’m currently in the process of degoogling. There’s a lot to consider.
It can be tough to do, I finally just got off Google photos backing up my pictures and videos maybe 2 weeks ago.
I already had them also being sent to my PC with resilio sync, but since I moved to Linux I didn’t have backblaze anymore (B2 is too expensive for me and their “unlimited” cloud backup is mac and windows only) and didn’t know of any affordable alternatives so I wasn’t willing to drop my only cloud backup even if it’s Google.
Eventually I canceled the annual storage plan and said “I’ll figure it out by then”, didn’t figure it out, found jottacloud after that and am now using that.
Congratulations, you’ve come to your senses.
I don’t trust politico with my news articles
The Chinese can do less harm with my data than the US and it’s allies.
For now.
The problem is that once it’s out there, you can’t take it back.
Of course.
Personally I have given up on that. I try to either use false information when they don’t need the real data or throwaway" emails and SEPA and one time credit card numbers for banking stuff.
I don’t trust any company with my data ever, so I’m constantly paranoid in a way.
Okay but what’s the risk if the cccp will find out I can’t write a fucking yaml for the life of me?
They can hold it against you if they take over whatever country you are from.
Your job chip implant will make you a delivery boy instead of a programmer.
Let me put things this way: after my last AliExpress purchase I was targetted for the first time in my life by a PayPal fishing phone call from India (starting with a pre-recorded message in my native language but then switching to some guy speaking English with an Indian accent).
Somebody I know has been targetted twice by “you package is awaiting at customs” phishing messages after making purchases at AliExpress.
Maybe coincidence, maybe AliExpress is having their trade payment processing ops outsourced to somebody that sells it to people that will use it to fraudulently pass themselves as a natural entity involved in the purchase process (like PayPal or the destination country’s Customs) or maybe AliExpress themselves sell that data. Judging by the amount of outright fraudulent sales claims there (the capacity of any power storage devices is at times hilarious, as is the output wattage of solar panels and storage capacity of external SSDs), my bet is the latter, though if it’s not that totally not giving a shit about the risk of the second possibility is almost a certainty.
That kind of “why should I care” bullshit you’re peddling is exactly the same kind of bullshit that was peddled a decade and a half ago about having one’s e-mail with Google, and look at were we are now.
Unless you’re stupidly isolated from it (not even giving them your e-mail), you’re going to leak stuff that can be used against you, even if only by criminals (and the authorities in China couldn’t give a rat’s arse about their people swindling or stealing from laowai).
Like in the US, it’s going to be “Free Enterprise” abusing data about even if the local authorities don’t really care about you.
The real question is why did you give your phone number to AlliExpress?
Secondly, why answer an unknown number?
It’s used by the delivery people to contact me if they can’t find the delivery place or I’m not there. Also some of the local delivery companies will, for more expensive things, send the recipient an SMS with a code that you then give to the delivery person so that they know for sure they’re delivering to the right person (or somebody authorized by them).
It’s actually a pretty good way to solve a lot of problems with delivery, but it does mean I need to have a mobile phone number which ends up in the hands of at least two entities.
In this case, you use common sense and be suspicious of anyone with a foreign accent making unsolicited phone calls…especially those with Indian accents. The ones you should look out for are the scams that involve AI spoofing a family member’s voice.
The less info about you is out there, the less handles they have to pass themselves for those who can legitimatelly ask money from you or which control access to your money, be they family, friends, your bank, the government and so on.
They can’t spoof a family member’s voice if they don’t know who is your family or have access to samples of their voice - both things often obtainable via Facebook and would also be obtainable via a Chinese equivalent one might be tempted to use instead.
Anyways, my point is that Chinese companies are inherently no more trustworthy than American ones, they’re just not as bad yet because they don’t yet have the same access to masses and masses of personal information for people all over the World - once they do, they’ll be just as bad because regulations in China are also shit and they don’t give a damn about foreigners.
To be fair, I don’t trust European companies with it either. As the saying goes: “Where there’s a trough, there will be pigs.” Want to keep your data safe? Keep it.
Yes, bit wary of these current trends that try to paint Europe as this holier than thou place where everyone only thinks about the polar bears and UBI, when the truth is we have plenty of capitalist sharks in our ranks that would be happy burning it all down for the next quarterly results.
To be fair, we have the GDPR in Europe, which puts people at ease. However, this could be weakened or rid of entirely in order for the EU to become more “competitive” some day. Even the climate change goals of the EU has already been weakened so that we could catch up to the AI race. As sad as it is, it’s just the realpolitik influencing decisions.
The EU keeps coming within inches of voting for making secure encryption impossible. Chat Control would have been worse for privacy than anything the US has.
Don’t pretend like Chat Control is ever going to get through.
Each time they are going to vote it down, it gets retracted and changed slightly so they can try again. And every time it gets voted down again.
Politicians know that they would get out-voted in the next election if they go through with it.
Iirc they just passed something that enforced the opposite to chat control to stop the constant reintroduction of the same over reaching law
And every year new open mass surveillance worse than the UK and US attempts to be passed and barely fails.
GDPR also doesn’t mean shit if it is barely enforced against large companies or the fines aren’t revenue-proportional… Then it is just a cost of doing business.
Let me assure you that in the large companies I’ve worked with, GDPR is taken very seriously.
I only trust math with my data (i.e. encryption…)
How many out of ten Europeans use Meta or TikTok?
Used Meta once it was still caled Facebook and even then i did lose interest a few year after i made the account. Well and Tiktok as i first saw it all i thought that it was a desiese and it should be burned.
You can use something and still not trust something.
What point are you trying to make?
I can spell it out for you:
People recognize the problem, but don’t take appropriate action.
Good lord, what’s wrong with the other two?
Fascists.
They over-consumed the goods from those countries and they lost their minds.
One of them is probably steam lol.
As someone born and living in the US, I also don’t trust the US or China… or pretty much anyone with my data.
You can trust meeeeeeeee! What’s your first pets maiden name?
I just asked it. It’s “Woof”.
Weird, my pet said the same. Is your password also
*************?No, mine is
*****************, but I honestly like yours better.GayGoatFuckerhas a special ring to it that*****************doesn’t have.
I think this is the right mentality to have.
Data isn’t very valuable if you can’t transmit it.
At some point you need to trust someone
