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There is no old computer only bad os.
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Old but gold.
Except if you have an old NVIDIA card. The current kernel doesn’t support the old binary drivers anymore and the nouveau drivers are slow and buggy.
I mean that’s sorta the point of DKMS?
DKMS doesn’t mean it’s supported forever. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA lists incompatibilities with kernel and CPU features.
Kepler and newer GPUs don’t work with Linux kernel 5.18 and newer.
NVIDIA also doesn’t update legacy drivers for newer versions of XOrg and Wayland after support ends.
Of course nothing is supported forever, I personally wouldn’t expect support past a decade (official or unofficial)
Plenty of ten year old machines are still fast enough for most tasks. My old laptop has a quad core i7, 16 GB RAM and 1 TB SSD. It’s a shame it’s losing support.
It sucks but people are starting to realize that you cant support hardware forever, software evolves and older hardware simply doesn’t support certain features. I mean requiring Vukan 1.0 is pretty reasonable yet still it excludes a lot of people.
That would explain some of the issues I was having with VRAM.
To be fair you can 100% have a PC that’s too old and/or too low speced to run Linux with certain desktops. For example I personally wouldn’t use a PC with under 8gb of ram today if I wanted to run a modern desktop and Wayland compositors basically require (or soon will) Vulkan 1.0 support (for Nvidia that’s Kepler GK110 or later, AMD GCN 1.1 or later, and Intel Broadwell or later)
The thing about Linux is that you have choice. You can put Xubuntu on a laptop with a Core 2 Duo and 4GB of RAM and it will fly.
You can absolutely keep using older X11 desktops or WMs forever, that doesn’t mean you’re getting the same experience as everyone else on a modern Wayland desktop or WM
There is a world of difference between “not getting the best experience” and “the entire computer is unusable now”.
The main problem is that nowadays a lot of software is JavaScript downloaded when web browsing. And that might just be too demanding for ancient hardware if it was never tested on it.
is anything you can’t do with antix on a pentium 4 even worth doing
Kepler GPU need the 470 proprietary driver. It doesn’t work with current kernels 5.18 and newer. Even with an older kernel, I was unable to get Wayland to work.
Nouveau works with Wayland, but it does Vulkan in software, and had several noticeable visual bugs. I also was unable to get hardware acceleration for video to work even when installing the needed binary firmware. Besides that nouveau‘s feature Matrix is bit lacking.
Also if you have hybrid graphics in a laptop with Intel Iris and NVIDIA for example (OPTIMUS) there are additional issues to figure out.
Other hurdles might be wifi and bluetooth chips from Broadcom for example. You might have to install additional drivers, disable powersaving, and configure other tweaks to get Bluetooth audio and wifi to work properly.
@[email protected] What does the French say?
windows is crashing linux is flowering, with linux there is no old pc only bad OS.
Crashing? With the context of the pictures and similarities with Spanish and Catalan idioms I would say windows stands you up.
“planter” in french can mean three things : plant (a seed), crash (a system) or break up (with someone)
Hence the triple punThe system crashing I didn’t know, does the computer plants itself or it plants you? in Spanish to plant someone or leave someone planted is to not show up on a date, so I would find it very funny if it was the latter.
Is the break up closer to dumping? I love to learn this kind on nuances.
“L’ordinateur a planté” means the computer crashed. There’s no complement to the verb there, it just “planted.”
L’ordinateur a planté, now I get it.
After looking a couple of dictionaries what I was trying to ask is if it was “a planté” or “s’est planté”
Thanks
“se planter” is yet another meaning of the word, it’s slang for “make a mistake” or “have an accident” (usually involving a vehicle). E.g.:
Je me suis planté à mon examen de maths
Je me suis planté en moto
I don’t speak french or Spanish, but in Italian “windows ti ha piantato” it has the same three nuances that op wrote. When a computer is “piantato” it means it’s frozen/crashed. Like it’s stuck, planted in the ground.
For example someone can shout “Cazzo!!! Questo cazzo di computer si è piantato e ho perso il salvataggio del cazzo! Cazzo!”
Also a girlfriend can “piantato” = break up or do no show on appointment. And also “piantato” main meaning is to plant something in the spil
I love to learn these kind of similarities between close languages.
“Ma petite amie m’a planté” is closer to “my girlfriend dumped me”, it’s a bit familiar. “Break up with X” could be “rompre avec X”
Thanks, one of these days I’ll find some time to get French lessons.
Yeah, the problem is that it’s had to convey the double meaning because “planter” is often used about an electronic device crashing, so it’s both windows crashed, and windows stood you up
Oh! I didn’t know that one hahahahha I love it. Here we say that windows hung itself, “se colgó”.
would make for a darker comic lmao
This is correct. From Larousse:
Familier. Abandonner brusquement quelqu’un, quelque chose quelque part : Il m’a planté au coin de la rue.
windows is crashing linux is flowering, with linux there is no old pc only bad OS.
Unless it is a 486 and you want to stay current :P
I yearn for my old 486. the best rig I have ever owned.
Way way back. I was given a 486 (when pentium 90/100s were normal) at work to run the experimental internet connection on (the head of the company at the time didn’t think this internet fad would last). So I installed some magazine coverdisk linux and connected the office to the internet via a single modem.
I think it had a peak uptime of 550 days before it was replaced.
It’s OK, gramps, let’s get you back to bed.
Oh sweet child, you’ll never understand the pleasure of cutting motherboard PCB traces and replacing resistors to overclock a DX2 to 90MHz to play freely distributed CD-ROM cereal box AoE.
I already had a 233 MHz PII when AoE came out, so no.
I was poor as fuck back in AoE times, my computer was already oolllllld.
I still have my cereal box AoE CD somewhere…
Back in my day we used to have to draw on the processor with a graphite pencil in order to unlock overclocking.
Kids these days with their UEFI and Windows-based overclocking utilities…
Hey, it was really better times when you could have your computer in any colo(u)r you wanted, so long as it was beige.
Now you can have any colour you want, but they have mandatory LEDs embedded in every peripheral a d they no longer sell opaque cases.
You’re not kidding. I have no real interest in RGB. But it was cheaper to buy a case with a glass panel and the RGB ram of the same spec was cheaper than non RGB… I just made all the LEDs Borg green and left it that way.
Alternatively you can use Debian and keep using an older kernel :3
I read that to the melody of “What does the Fox say?”.
Windows killing Wireguard is another name in the coffin for me.
Still need it for Playit Live and Excel VBA but that’s about it now.
Use WinBoat to run 2D applications like Excel. I’m not familiar with Playit Live, but it seems to be the kind of application that WinBoat works well with.
rip bozo 😂
C’est trop meugnon
