Not really what happened. Trudeau and the liberals wanted preferential ranked ballots as election reform. They formed a committee to do research and establish facts on this. The committee said they’d never get it off the ground. The other parties, and other players wouldn’t accept it and it would be a disaster. They didn’t want proportional representation, so they gave up. Their messaging was terrible, but they would have gone with ranked ballots if they thought it would be reasonably doable. It wasn’t, so instead they concentrated on other things.
Of course they wouldn’t have wanted proportional representation, look at how badly they would have gotten their asses handed to them if they did that. The country would finally have to admit that the NDP were getting votes, just not seats to match, and if that were the case then why bother voting for the Liberals?
They do not like democracy because they know how unpopular they are. In 2021 the only ads I saw from them were of Trudeau begging everyone to “unite”(strategic vote) because that’s literally the only thing they have going for them.
With proportional representation, the liberals would likely form minority governments for the foreseeable future. Small groups would be king makers. Except they wouldn’t - all they’d do was cause the government to fail and then a new election would again always give us a liberal minority.
You speak on that like the Liberals are the default. We all need to fucking stop with that crap, it’s pretty much the only reason they ever get elected at all. In 2021 the NDP well over half the votes the Liberals did and that’s with “strategic” voting. We can stop this at any point.
Most Canadians want fiscal conservatism with a safety net, and social progressiveness. The liberals sit in the center and when they get their messaging right, they tick this big box. So they do win by default. I would personally love more progressive fiscal policies, but only if I trust who’s doing it not to tank the economy, and that’s a bit rare.
And that’s exactly the problem. “Fiscal conservatism”, which really just means slashing taxes on the most rich and leaving the rest of us out to dry, is incredibly irresponsible and has never worked. If anyone trusts Carney to run our economy then they should trust someone who is at least trying to give us progressive financial policies far more. Even if they fail, they aren’t the one actively chasing the option that is guaranteed to fall apart and that means there’s a far greater chance for success.
Besides, we throw around the word “trust” and “confidence a lot with almost zero evidence that the person we don’t trust isn’t capable of doing what they promise. Yes, I trust a grizzly bear to maul me to death if I voluntarily dress up in raw meat, but that’s precisely why I do not do that!
Well there’s different types of fiscal conservatism. People look for keeping government costs down. Taxes for everyone lower. Balance the budget. Invest in needed infrastructure. Invest in needed education and research . Reasonable taxes for the rich - not the scare them off but get them to pay their share. So, like, old school fiscal conservatism.
Ok, but except for the fact that you think high taxes on the rich will scare them off everything else isn’t “fiscal conservatism” and you’ll get it by voting further left, not right. So far, Carney’s government has fired tens of thousands of employees during a highly dangerous time to be unemployed in, removed environmental protections to allow oil and gas companies to attack our land without review, cut funding all over the place, and still found $8.8bil to give to developers as development fee cuts that the consumer will never see the benefit of. There’s no responsibility there, he’s just giving away all our money to rich people and screwing everyone else in the process.
Everyone who thinks he’s doing even a remotely good job is a fool. This isn’t hidden stuff, it’s all headlining even the CBC but you can find it all over.
In his speech, he committed to introducing electoral reform legislation within 18 months of forming a government. It would be based on the recommendations of a special, all-party parliamentary committee mandated to fully and fairly study alternatives to the first-past-the-post system, including ranked ballots and proportional representation.
You may not think they did. But they did - then they dropped it, which was weak, I agree. I’m not sure proportional representation is all that great, but he should have followed through with a referendum.
Delivering on their promise, which was voting reform, wasn’t hard. They could have done what the committee recommended and gone with proportional representation. That had support with the other parties and would have delivered on their promise. But Trudeau wanted ranked ballots, and that would be hard, so we got nothing.
Not really what happened. Trudeau and the liberals wanted preferential ranked ballots as election reform. They formed a committee to do research and establish facts on this. The committee said they’d never get it off the ground. The other parties, and other players wouldn’t accept it and it would be a disaster. They didn’t want proportional representation, so they gave up. Their messaging was terrible, but they would have gone with ranked ballots if they thought it would be reasonably doable. It wasn’t, so instead they concentrated on other things.
Of course they wouldn’t have wanted proportional representation, look at how badly they would have gotten their asses handed to them if they did that. The country would finally have to admit that the NDP were getting votes, just not seats to match, and if that were the case then why bother voting for the Liberals?
They do not like democracy because they know how unpopular they are. In 2021 the only ads I saw from them were of Trudeau begging everyone to “unite”(strategic vote) because that’s literally the only thing they have going for them.
With proportional representation, the liberals would likely form minority governments for the foreseeable future. Small groups would be king makers. Except they wouldn’t - all they’d do was cause the government to fail and then a new election would again always give us a liberal minority.
You speak on that like the Liberals are the default. We all need to fucking stop with that crap, it’s pretty much the only reason they ever get elected at all. In 2021 the NDP well over half the votes the Liberals did and that’s with “strategic” voting. We can stop this at any point.
Most Canadians want fiscal conservatism with a safety net, and social progressiveness. The liberals sit in the center and when they get their messaging right, they tick this big box. So they do win by default. I would personally love more progressive fiscal policies, but only if I trust who’s doing it not to tank the economy, and that’s a bit rare.
And that’s exactly the problem. “Fiscal conservatism”, which really just means slashing taxes on the most rich and leaving the rest of us out to dry, is incredibly irresponsible and has never worked. If anyone trusts Carney to run our economy then they should trust someone who is at least trying to give us progressive financial policies far more. Even if they fail, they aren’t the one actively chasing the option that is guaranteed to fall apart and that means there’s a far greater chance for success.
Besides, we throw around the word “trust” and “confidence a lot with almost zero evidence that the person we don’t trust isn’t capable of doing what they promise. Yes, I trust a grizzly bear to maul me to death if I voluntarily dress up in raw meat, but that’s precisely why I do not do that!
Well there’s different types of fiscal conservatism. People look for keeping government costs down. Taxes for everyone lower. Balance the budget. Invest in needed infrastructure. Invest in needed education and research . Reasonable taxes for the rich - not the scare them off but get them to pay their share. So, like, old school fiscal conservatism.
Ok, but except for the fact that you think high taxes on the rich will scare them off everything else isn’t “fiscal conservatism” and you’ll get it by voting further left, not right. So far, Carney’s government has fired tens of thousands of employees during a highly dangerous time to be unemployed in, removed environmental protections to allow oil and gas companies to attack our land without review, cut funding all over the place, and still found $8.8bil to give to developers as development fee cuts that the consumer will never see the benefit of. There’s no responsibility there, he’s just giving away all our money to rich people and screwing everyone else in the process.
Everyone who thinks he’s doing even a remotely good job is a fool. This isn’t hidden stuff, it’s all headlining even the CBC but you can find it all over.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-vows-to-end-1st-past-the-post-voting-in-platform-speech-1.3114902
I don’t think they even bothered to form the all party committee.
I participated in the town hall my Liberal MP ran - it was clear even then that they weren’t interested in public input or any kind of voting reform.
You may not think they did. But they did - then they dropped it, which was weak, I agree. I’m not sure proportional representation is all that great, but he should have followed through with a referendum.
You’re right!
I guess “it was hard so they gave up” is marginally better than “they thought ‘meh’ and gave up”?
Delivering on their promise, which was voting reform, wasn’t hard. They could have done what the committee recommended and gone with proportional representation. That had support with the other parties and would have delivered on their promise. But Trudeau wanted ranked ballots, and that would be hard, so we got nothing.