And this is a country whose people have been fed heavily pro-Israel propaganda since the day they were born. What does the rest of the world think ?
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Hey, that’s not nice, the shit is insulted…
No but really, the Israeli government is absolutely the shit of shits.
Fascism is unpopular. 🙁
Sadly, i’m not so sure that is true these days
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I has no sympathy towards the genocidal ideology of zionism.
But I’m definitely sympathic to people who are born in palestine and resist the ongoing genocide, ethnic cleansing, etc. Regardless of their “religion” or lack thereof. That’s brave.
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but let’s not pretend the Palestinians wouldn’t be doing the same given the upper hand.
They lived in peace for hundreds of years before the zionist settler-colonial project. So there’s no evidence that the victims of Zionism can be equated with their oppressors, just because “all religion bad”.
Muslim countries historically have been far kinder to their religious minorities than any european one also.
Where are the Jewish communities that existed for millennia in these countries? Ask the coptics how they feel, ask the Kurds. I’m not trying to defend Israel by any means, but it’s disingenuous af to claim the region was some bastion of tolerance and understanding.
For Palestine specifically, Khalidi’s The hundred years war on Palestine goes over the period of transition from the ottoman empire, to zionist colonization. It goes in-depth into peaceful relations between religious communities for hundreds of years before zionism.
As for the middle ages through the ottoman empire, you can glance over these wiki sections, but its fairly universally accepted that Islamic states were in general refuges and safe-havens for jewish peoples who had to flee christian persecution, or those who already lived in the regions.
Jewish communities have existed across West, Central and South Asia, and North Africa, throughout the middle ages, and until the mid-20th century. They are known as the Mizrahi Jews, and were largely tolerated by Muslim rulers. In fact, Jews in Morocco and al-Andalus (modern-day Spain) worked as civil and military officers for the Moors, and Muslim rule was seen as a Golden Age of Jewish science and art.
The fact islam has existed for over the thousand years in these regions yet you find large percentage of these minorities existing to this day is a testament that they didn’t go on a crusade to wipe them out unlike europe. In fact it was the ottomans that took in and rescued jews when europe was persecuting them.
Pump those numbers down. Those are rookie numbers.
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You had me in the first half. Then you just had to moralize about genocide not being a valid red-line for you.
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I think that your point confuses islamic state with a muslim majority state. While almost all muslim majority states allow women to vote(even though some only quite recently like saudis), islamic state would be different. This is of course same for any fundamentalist state like a jewish one or christian one. They are incompatible with democracy.
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Not sure why that’s relevant, but:
The first democratically elected female prime minister of a Muslim majority country was Benazir Bhutto of Pakistan, who led her party to victory in the 1988 general election and later in 1993
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…do you not know where Bosnia and Herzegovina is? It’s a coastal post-Yugo country next to Serbia and Croatia, south of Hungary IIRC. The Bosnian war and NATO intervention isn’t exactly secret knowledge.
Very cool for your 1 country
The USA (the country in question) has zero (0) women presidents elected ever. Not even one. So yeah imma stop reading this conversation lol
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Many people still think “both sides” though
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What I mean is one side is having their homes bombed and lives uprooted (or just lost altogether) while the other side watches from the side lines. Innocent civilians killed in the streets. Women, children, actual babies killed for money. Disgusting
I assume you mean the side having their homes bombed is the Palestinians? Since most of them have had their lives uprooted?
But the other side (Israel) is not watching from the sidelines. Nearly 100% of their population works for or has worked for the military. If not, they arrest you.
Palestinians fighting for their homes, and their right to exist, are not terrorists. We should not let the ICC or any “official” body dictate morality for us; we know the Palestinian cause is a just one.
Of course it is. But that doesn’t justify war crimes.
What are these “sides” comprised of in your mind? Who specifically are you accusing of being a “terrorist”? In Palestine - the entire population? The ruling political party “Hamas”? The militarized subset of it, the “Al Qassam brigades?” Or only the specific members thereof who engaged in war crimes at any point - the few of that group who are still alive? What definition of “terrorism” are you using - the “using violence to influence political opinions” which characterizes every government that’s ever engaged in war? The Palestinian people have had their country stolen and have been corralled off from the surrounding world by a military occupier in the tiny subset of it that remains - they have a legal right to self-defense, and the very existence of “Israel” as a state has come at the cost of the absolute violation of their sovereignty and human rights, solely to impose the imaginary, invented sovereignty of an immigrating colonizing population, that was hoisted on them against their will by another colonizer (the British). Using the word “terrorist” used in this context is insane. It seems to hinge on the relationship of Hamas with Islamism, which isn’t even absolute, because it’s a pluralist, “big tent” party. Beyond there, what, it’s based on them having darker skin or being Muslim, which is what that word evokes for the more brainwashed Americans anyway. Rather, armed resistance in their case - as much as we’d all like to avoid violence of any kind - is legally sanctioned self-defense against a militarily aggressive entity, who has their territory and people under military occupation.
You need to educate yourself more on this topic and clarify your thinking.
No,very few of the Palestinian population is involved in the fighting. It’s mostly civilians in Gaza.
The Israelis have mandatory military service. That’s the side with a population of nearly 100% terrorists.
Dont jump to conclusions. Re read what I wrote…
What you wrote is gone. From what I remember of it, if that’s what you were trying to say, you needed to word it better. To be generous.
Yeah we broke the majority last year
The zionist nazi state has no right to exist. Just like nazi Germany had no right to exist. A state built on ethnic cleansing, stealing peoples land and their massacre is a state which should not exist.
So what are they going to do? This is what happens when you prop up & support ethno religious states. Don’t want it then stop supporting Israel’s existence.
The problem isn’t that Israel is an ethno-religious state, it’s that it’s a genocidal, apartheid, settler-colonial state imposing itself on someone else’s land, and it’s trying to ethnically cleanse that land of its indigenous peoples, and it’s trying to expand its territory into a “Greater Israel,” extending its project of ethnic cleansing ever wider.
Orrrrr, now hear me out, we ratchet up the propaganda, black listing, and police responses to protests. Eh?
You can support Israel without supporting what they’re doing.
Edit: the state of Israel
If you are aware of what they are doing, and you provide support to them, that is therefore knowingly providing support to their actions, whether you agree with those actions or not.
Or, if you just meant ‘agree with’ rather than ‘supply’, then I would say that what they’re doing is not something they will ever stop. It’s an integral part of their existence as an imperial Zionist state, they aren’t just doing it for fun, or because of some ‘bad apples’. They have no plan or desire to stop, their history is mostly just this same type of war and besieging repeated, and the USA would probably abandon them and let them collapse if they miraculously did decide to stop, because the US imperial strategy only values the Zionist Regime as a attack dog in the Middle East, a region critical for resource control.
A lot of words to say, it might as well be supporting guns without supporting bullets. There is no realistic situation where guns won’t be used to shoot bullets. They can’t be separated, in reality. Why support guns, at that point? It’s just a comfortable abstract idea in a vacuum.
What would “support” look like in this case? How do you ensure that support isn’t weaponised and used to promote genocide?
How do you ensure the alternative doesn’t?
So you can’t answer the question
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Ethnostates are never necessary and are always fascist.
You want the genocidal dictator to “step down” and the genocidal terrorist army “needs reform”?
You’re not even trying, man. At least try to make it seem like you actually believe your “both sides” hasbara. Ass is, we can all see that you’re a rabid genocidal Zionist.
This community is clearly pro-Palestine since I keep getting downvoted, and only my comments are getting deleted, but I do find it funny how everyone here is giving me shit for being a Zionist and everyone else is ignoring my statement about how Palestine would be significantly worse. What’s your alternative?
Absence of support of Israel isn’t the same thing as antisemitism, no matter what they’d like you to believe. I have no particular views regarding Ecuador, that doesn’t mean I’m racist against them.
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The name Israel was chosen by the Zionist movement for a reason & reflects what they are doing. By keeping the name, you’re enabling/supporting them.
No, you really can’t: the nature of a thing is what it does
