There’s only one mod of !mop@quokk.au
I commented on their meme about Kamala Harris being just as likely to commit war crimes as Trump with an admittedly snarky, sarcastic reply that basically said “some of us wanted to whatever we could, as little as it might be, instead of watching the world burn. Must feel real morally superior safe behind that keyboard”
They banned me from the community for it.
Kinda funny for a community that bills itself as “free from the influence of .ml”
PTB, anarchists are such losers. They would advocate allowing a literal fascist into office because they don’t believe in voting.
don’t liberals advocate for allowing a literal fascist into office on the grounds that he won an election? perhaps you should disallow him to hold power.
You chose to parrot some of the most blatant neoliberal talking points in an anarchist community, this is the natural conclusion to that. Honestly YDM, people in anarchist communities are very tired of neoliberal trolls coming into our spaces and whining about fixing the world through voting.
Anarchist community? That sure as shit isn’t what the community claims to be! I checked before replying. It claims to be “socialist”, and socialism is far as fuck from anarchist. So kindly explain to me how that is an anarchist space?
You can call it neoliberal if you want but decisions are made by the people who show up. That’s not political. It’s practical. And has nothing to do with my ideology. I’m a socialist, but I’m not a communist, and I sure as shit am not an anarchist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_anarchism
Socialism is only far as fuck from anarchism if you don’t know anything about anarchism
Social anarchism is not the part of anarchism that survived, my dude. People are rediscovering it now, sure, but socialism has never been predominantly or even plurality anarchist.
Claiming all socialist spaces as anarchist spaces is disingenuous at best, willfully misleading at worst
Hey @Deceptichum@quokk.au do you disagree with or otherwise take issue with the assessment that !mop@quokk.au is an anarchist space? And if so, does it really change the fact that neatchee was and is continuing to spout neoliberal garbage in leftists spaces (dbzer0 included)?
100% an anarchist comm, as is the entire moderation team.
Even if it wasn’t, reformist and electorialism aren’t really leftist approaches of any sort outside of niche trots entryism.
if “hey, people who vote aren’t terrible people, they just want to try to do something to effect change” is neoliberal garbage well then call me a neoliberal socialist I guess?
didn’t realize “hey maybe don’t villainize voting” was now considered a conservative, right wing position but whatever you say
And frankly I don’t give a fuck what the mod thinks about you calling it anarchist, if the billboard out front says “socialist” and not “anarchist”, then don’t be fuckin surprised when non-anarchists show up. it is wild that you’ve boiled this down to “well some socialists are anarchists and the main mod is an anarchist, so even though it doesn’t say anarchist, it’s an anarchist space and you need to get out”. Absolutely wild.
As I said on the OP, free from ML influence my ass xD
Electoralist apologia is frowned upon in anarchist, socialist, and leftist spaces in general, and for the record !mop@quokk.au absolutely is an anarchist space because @Deceptichum@quokk.au is the main mod and owner of the community and what he says goes. It also doesn’t really matter whether or not it is an anarchist space because at the end of the day it’s a leftist community and people acting like libs aren’t allowed or welcome there. And that includes electoralist apologists like yourself.
You acted like a shitlib and they threw you out. You might think that’s just @Deceptichum@quokk.au being an ass, but this is an experience many liberals experience when spouting electoralist apologia in leftist spaces.
The community is advertised in its description as socialist. It makes no mention of anarchists. It is unreasonable to expect people to check the mods and servers ideology before commenting (not even posting…commenting). I’m not debating the right to kick me out. I’m calling the approach asinine for its lack of transparency and false equivalency.
The fact that you are so insistent on implying that supporting elections is antithetical to modern socialism is indicative of how disingenuous your argument is. You’re anarchists, and that’s fine. But please don’t pretend like all socialists, as a rule, reject the idea of elections, or that even most socialists are anarchists. It’s just lying with extra steps.
Not claiming all socialist spaces are anarchist spaces. Just claiming that a socialist space on an anarchist instance shouldn’t really be a surprise, and claiming they’re unimaginably far apart from each other is a little odd
I think making a community, calling it socialist, and then banning someone for not being an anarchist, even if the instance itself is anarchist, is silly and a great example of someone power tripping 🤷♀️ It plays as a purity test on a broader space
defends a right wing cop in an anarchist space
YDI
Didn’t defend Kamala. Defended the people who chose to vote for her instead of abstaining. Very big difference
I got banned in that very same thread as well, for the same reasons. Although admittedly I was being quite venomous so I guess I deserved it, but still. It’s a community filled with people who think that they didn’t participate in voting, so they’re free of blame for everything happening right now
Yeah I’ve now got anarchists showing up, telling me I’m “invading their anarchist space with classic neoliberal talking points” but that community outright claims to be socialist? I’m pretty sure that entire community is a bunch of anarchists trying to get actual socialists to shift towards crazy.
Kamala Harris has never in her life been a police officer, that’s disinformation spread by people who need to lie in order to be convincing.
she was literally a prosecutor who laughed in an interview about charging single mothers with possession while she was also smoking weed. what kind of shitlib anarchist pretender are you, that you’re defending a class traitor like that?
Well what you’ve just said is the truth, and I like it much better than the lie above. I’ll defend the vast majority of people from just straight up lies. It’s one of My ethical principles. Those don’t tend to waver much depending on who I apply them to.
this is just differing definitions of “cop”
YDI
The way you said it was out of line.
You could say the same thing without being nasty. You chose to go hard at some stranger online, and got banned for it. It’s one of the very rare things that fully justifies a first offense permaban.
Why? Because anyone going that nasty for no good reason will absolutely, 100% keep doing it.
I’ve caught bans for being an asshole like that, and deserved every single one. In the past, I’ve handed out bans over at reddit for that exact behavior and have zero regrets.
Next time, try and remember that even if the meme is shit, attacking someone like that ain’t cool.
Kinda funny for a community that bills itself as “free from the influence of .ml”
it’s also anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist. so it makes perfect sense that liberal nonsense in defense of a cop (ACAB) who supports Israeli crimes against humanity would not be welcome. it isn’t a comm that’s friendly towards the United States government or their politicians, so why go there to simp? kamala is a piece of shit, and you should be ashamed for defending her.
who defended her? I defended the people who chose to vote for her instead of abstaining. Big fucking difference
And this is literally the entire problem. Y’all can’t tell the difference between people who support shitty policies, and people who do what little is within their power to reduce harm
The idea of a ballot being capable of reducing the harm in a system rooted in colonial domination and exploitation, white supremacy, hetero-patriarchy, and capitalism is an extraordinary exaggeration. There is no person whose lives aren’t impacted everyday by these systems of oppression, but instead of coded reformism and coercive “get out the vote” campaigns towards a “safer” form of settler colonialism, we’re asking “what is the real and tragic harm and danger associated with perpetuating colonial power and what can be done to end it?”
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/voting-is-not-harm-reduction
Harm reduction is harmful
Voting as harm reduction does more harm than good. Accepting reforms through voting makes people settle for a partial goal; it is a concession. From this position of compromise, the state entrenches its position, and it becomes more difficult to push further, for voters fear losing their partial gains. Accepting harm reduction also divides the movement, because some will be satisfied with the crumbs, while others want it all (see the split at the ZAD). Harm reduction also assumes that the harm (the government) cannot be removed entirely, which is an argument that there can be no anarchy.
Voting is not harm reduction
For the vast majority of issues, there’s no difference between the political parties. They are all the parties of business, climate destruction, deportation, incarceration, police, surveillance, drone strikes, sacred site desecration, et cetera. By getting you to believe that there is a lesser of two evils, the state dampens your desire for abolishing it, because you are meant to believe that things will be worse if you don’t vote and support a political party. Look at the fact that the George Floyd Rebellion occurred under Trump, where liberals, and progressives, and leftists didn’t get what they want, where the harm was supposedly greater, than under Biden, where those same people lie dormant, accepting the lesser evil world as a blessed reprieve.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-why-you-shouldn-t-vote#toc1
Still not rule breaking in that community though? if they’d posted this I’d have had a conversation about it sooooo…?
who defended her? I defended the people
that’s fucking bullshit, and you know it.
it’s really not. but I understand if you can’t see the difference
I can’t see the difference because there isn’t one. you weren’t defending any voters, because nobody was attacking any voters. the meme had nothing to do with voting.
the fuck are you talking about? the meme is literally a shot at the people who supported her candidacy and argue today that things wouldn’t be how they are now under Trump.
whatever, this isn’t what this sub is for. done with this particular thread
Neoliberal nonsense in a leftist comm? YDI.
That comment doesn’t read as neoliberal at all. Only the comments defending the right of mods to do whatever they want read as neoliberal.
YDI. Cultists of either party should not be allowed
Regardless of your opinion, attack the idea not the person. You know nothing about the person who posted so you made some pretty big assumptions that they a) do nothing to help and b) are even from the USA. That said, your comment is pretty typical internet fare that I’d just roll my eyes at and downvote.
The mod did the same of course, replying with an ad hominem.
Little bit of YDI (a temp ban maybe) but also PTB for the 74 year ban which is an overreaction IMO (
maybe BPRI just saw someone else banned for 74 years from that comm for saying idiotic which is apparently ableist lol).they didn’t receive a ban for 74 years, they received a permanent ban, which in the case of piefed bans until the year 2100. next year the bans will be for 73 years.
You may want to read the other comments below my original one.
74 years is the default PieFed permanent ban length.
I think the default is actually the year 2100 rather than a length of 74 years.
Why either? Why does it not just give a ban which never expires? That doesn’t really make sense.
Me reading this comment section.
People please stop locking yourselves down into emotional traps.
I would argue that yes the ban is heavy handed but you should have known where you were commenting as well. I truly understand your position as in France that’s what we are forced to do every 5 fucking years. Just please try to be more diplomatic in your comments next time and I am sure that you would not have been banned.
Imagine what it’s like for someone of colour to have to vote for a prosecutor as the alternative of the Devil. It’s like voting for the middle manager of Hell.
Everyone here is right in their own way but please chill.
I’m transgender and I’d vote for Joanne Fucking Rowling if it were a FPTP election and the only other candidate were Trump. Hell, I’d vote for the monster who raped My ex-wife over Trump. I’d vote for the cult leader who indoctrinated Me and then threw Me away like yesterday’s tampon over Trump. Trump is worse.
Sorry to get so personal and intense, but I want to stress that choosing between two bad options is not that hard. Sure, I’d be horrendously upset about any of those options. I am seriously upset at Kamala bragging about how much oil her government pumped. I still have the ability to make a choice. It’s a matter of decency.
They are indeed affected pretty well.
This place is the new aita, hey.
Eh, the sidebar calls for those AITA response acronyms… no one in YPTB has the power to undo a ban from another comm, so I think it’s just for added engagement/fun.
Is quokka.au just like a ban happy instance? I’ve been randomly banned from a few of their communities and never subscribed. Also they appear here in PTB ALOT.
Hi, do you mind providing your real account? Because this one has only ever been banned from two communities from what I can see and none of them are from Quokk.au.
That’s just a community ban
Oh yeah, they banned me for speaking out against the American GOP and how they’re using social media to convince people that their opponents (the Democrats) are just as bad (in a post where someone was literally trying to do just that).
I didn’t get a reason in my ban, though, but the mod log said it was for 74 years, so that’s funny.
I’m not complaining though. I just recognised the comm and thought, “oh yeah that’s the one that banned me.”
Fun fact: in some mobile Lemmy clients, you can’t block a comm that banned you, which means they get to serve you content you cannot block. (Not here to name and shame.) However, you can do it via the site itself, in settings → blocks. (Not sure about PieFed, I haven’t blocked much on my PF account.) And then the Lemmy client will honour the block. Being banned from a community should mean you block it, but this does not happen by default (and, there may be cases where you still want to read/view the comm even though you can’t interact with it).
Oh yeah, they banned me for speaking out against the American GOP
no they did not. there is absolutely no chance you were banned for speaking out against the GOP. the thought is so patently absurd that the only reasonable conclusion is that you are a liar who is completely misrepresenting what you said to appear as a victim. I would wager you were banned for defending the fascist democrats, and you’ve decided to spin that as banned for speaking out against the GOP, because it’s very likely you’re a shitlib who incorrectly thinks the democrats are opposition to the GOP.
I know you were not banned for speaking out against the GOP, because I think I can speak for the mod in question when I say @deceptichum@quokk.au would like to see the GOP lined up against the wall and shot.
I would offer them a chance to surrender and spend their life redeeming for their actions first - if possible.
But yes 100% on board with shooting the gop.
As for the ban
The GOP is working hard to convince the people that voting for the other side won’t change anything. They want so badly to stay in power. And if we think they haven’t noticed the Fediverse, we’re sorely mistaken.
They’re not telling themselves. And they know they won’t convince you or me. They’re hoping they’ll catch somebody. Maybe this thread is a wash because we spoke up, but there’s always the next one.
It was because they tried pretending I was a GOP PsyOp and they had valiantly foiled my dastardly plans. Bad-jacketing and all that.
Specifically, the person was encouraging people not to vote against the Republicans because the Democrats were just as bad. I mean yeah, both parties are kinda shit, but the party in complete power astroturfing on social media to convince people the other side is no better so they can stay in power, it just seems absurd to me.
I don’t know if there’s a good third option Americans can vote for instead, but it seems to me that keeping the Republicans in power hasn’t done any good for the American people. In 2016, Trump lost the popular vote but was appointed, so by the way the system works, he won, and he did a pretty shit job. He lost the popular vote in 2020 by even more and Biden won. He started a riot and tried to prevent the transfer of power. He won fair and square (AFAIK) in 2024, and he’s made things pretty much worse in his first year. So we’ve seen what happens when you keep the Republicans of this generation in power.
And these people aren’t even saying “if we keep the Republicans in full control of all three branches of the American government, they’ll stop these pointless wars for oil, they’ll stop waging war on the LGBTQ+ community, and they’ll stop waging war on their own citizens.” They’re just saying “the other side is just as bad.”
That’s what the conversation was and that’s my point. I don’t lie — I didn’t come to this thread to make my case. I’ve stated it plainly here because you asked. What I came to this thread to do was to support the OP.
It’s a bad take (in the context of to community you posted in) that is worded as a personal attack against the mod, it’s not a good look for you. It still harsh to get perm banned for pretty much your second comment there though ngl
But yeah aside from that, the general vibe I’m getting from the community and the mod is that there’s an attempt to build an echochamber of a specific ideology, and severe enough disagreement will likely land you a ban if the rules can justify it in the slightest way possible. It’s a bit contradictory though, given how 99% of the mod posts there are just radical liberal coal that most people can agree with (just look at the upvotes), but when those people start commenting, they start banning them en masse since it’s not the kind of people they want, and I don’t think they have the self awareness to realize this contradiction.
Wonder if there’s an acronym for “you probably deserved less, but the mod is also at fault for attracting and ‘baiting’ people like you over with their posts”, idk.
Nothing says attractive pro-liberal meme like criticising both sides. I don’t know how you can see that community and think it’s anything but a space for leftists and not liberals even if the occasional meme makes fun of people liberals also don’t like.
That’s precisely why I’ve never said that it’s all of the posts, but the majority of them. Most posts there talk shit about right-wing of capital (i.e. the police and neoliberalism), are just anarchist larp material (throw molotov i am so cool type shit), or some vague anti-capitalist virtue signalling. These kinds of posts are something that most liberals (especially socdem servile belief in the state types) agree with and subscribe to the community for, and it can easily be observed when the occasional post that happens to disagree or attack them gets posted.
It’s the natural outcome of plopping down 20 posts every single day from other websites, most of them are going to be heavily upvoted inoffensive crap that are made to be agreed with and not consistent polemics.
PTB, “leftists should try to make the world a better place” is not a right wing opinion, or against the community rules. Deceptichum is not accountable to their own community’s governing principles.
you were harassing, trolling, badjacketing, and lying about Deceptichum. you’re a shitty person, and likewise a shitty admin.
I think @neatchee@piefed.social didn’t break any rules, and Deceptichum banned them because of a personal disagreement. As an anarchist, I don’t think community facilitators should put their feelings above the rules, because such situations are inherently abuses of power. But I understand you may disagree with My anti-authoritarian views.
Deceptichum banned them because of a personal disagreement.
you deleted their post over a personal disagreement, you hypocritical twit
I blocked federation to our instance. I have no authority to delete the actual post on its home instance. Yet if I could prevent AI slop from being posted on all of piefed, I would, as I don’t agree with the exploitation of nonhuman thinking machines. I’m a vegan, you see, and I don’t think these AI art generators are smart enough to give informed consent to work for humans.
LLMs are not animals, being vegan has nothing to do with AI You troll.
Veganism is about not agreeing with the enslavement of thinking and potentially feeling nonhuman creatures, regardless of taxonomy.
This has to be a bit. Nobody can seriously post this stuff. Is your account designed to troll anarchists?
I’ve heard a lot of really stupid definitions of veganism over the years. This one is, by a country mile, the stupidest I’ve ever heard.
AI doesn’t think.
As an anarchist, I don’t think community facilitators should put their feelings above the rules
You’re not a very good Anarchist if you believe people have a right to be present in a community unless they break a “rule.” That goes directly against the principle of free associationAnarchists believe in Free Association which is also the freedom to disassociate.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-fundamentals-of-anarchism
Free association does not mean you get to go into a community that is not yours and say whatever you want without repercussion.
The community has the right to disassociate with you. And considering there are about 4 people who contribute to the community, myself included, I think it’s completely fair if we don’t neoliberals in our space bothering us with their bad takes.
