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      Look, if it wasn’t for those god dang Chinese having a better economy than us we wouldn’t have to go around bombing everyone else to take them down a peg or two.

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        Dang evil chinese manufacturing stuff for a fraction of the cost and forcing us to have better lives with their affordable commodities.

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      BOTH sides bad!!

      the usa is bad for attacking iran, and iran is bad for defending itself. i know, crazy right?? get nuanced, red fash russian bot!!1!

      they should be equally genocided (i feel deeply for the oppressed people of iran 😞)

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    The “civilization” that’s on the way out is western colonialism. Trump is the embodiment of denial that it’s happening.

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      I think of him as a kind of avatar of gluttonous instability which needed to come into existence for forces to realize their irrational goals that must be kept at bay by one trillion missiles. Not in a way where I actually believe he’s part of a millenarian prophecy or something, just…he’s so useful, isn’t he?

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      As we say in México mala hierva no se seca. (Bad weed never withers). It has to be burned.

      Still he is just a spokesman, a ragebaitmaxxer for sure, but nothing fundamentally would change with another head of state.

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        nothing fundamentally would change with another head of state.

        Biden said that, too. The number of my fellow citizens in denial over this is astounding and confounding.

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        DPRK has not attacked or invaded other countries. This can’t even be charitably considered a comparison because the U.S Empire has killed millions and induced suffering for centuries now.

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            The DPRK “threatens” by having working deterrence, which allows breathing room for development. Overall, the DPRK has been enormously peaceful, while the US Empire doesn’t just threaten but is actively bombing civilians as we speak. The genocidal US Empire is enormously evil.

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            Only in return. The US is training for the invasion of the north together with the occupied souths army every year. Just outside of the norths waters. The US tried to infiltrate the country with spewcial forces recently, they were seen by fishermen, killed the fishers, sunk the bodies and retreated. The South constantly kidnaps DPRK citizens in other countries and sends unwanted shit over. Also not too long ago the US threatened ther DPRK with nuclear obliteration. That is after the US commited a genocide there and prevented food aid from entering the country in the 90s.

            The DPRK isn’t a “cry baby”, they are right.

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                There is no law preventing North Korean Citizens from leaving in the DPRK. In fact over 100k North Koreans work abroad, mainly in China and Russia.

                The reasons North Koreans don’t leave to many other places is entirely do to the US. Since they are sanctioned, the currency of the DPRK is extremely weak, making it incredibly hard to afford any kind if travel outside of the country for one. There’s also the fact that the DPRK has one of the world’s weakest passports, most countries not accepting them without prior approval.

                This also pales at the fact that due to a UN resolution spearheaded by the US, employing North Koreans can mean being sanctioned. The justification being so that DPRK citizens can’t send money back home to their families. They basically have to revoke their Citizenship and forgo ever returning to their families if they want to live outside the country because of these sanctions.

                In a way you’re right that North Koreans can’t leave their country, but not because of their own government but because what the US government.

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                  The statement is largely false and misrepresents how movement works in North Korea. In the North Korea, the government strictly controls citizens’ ability to leave the country. Exit is not a right: ordinary citizens cannot freely obtain passports or travel abroad without state permission, which is granted only to a small, vetted group (such as laborers, diplomats, or students). Unauthorized attempts to leave are treated as crimes and can result in severe punishment for both the individual and their family. While it is true that tens of thousands of North Koreans have worked abroad, these workers are carefully selected, monitored, and their earnings are heavily controlled by the state. International sanctions—often coordinated through the United Nations Security Council—do restrict overseas employment and financial flows, but they are not the primary reason citizens cannot freely leave; the main barrier is the DPRK’s own internal system of political control and travel restrictions.

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        Just the fact that the USA can credibly threaten to use nukes means it’s completely rational and normal for everyone else to want nukes of their own. Liberals say Kim Jong-Un is insane specifically because he uses this justification for why the DPRK’s possession and testing of nukes is legitimate, and the western press insists the premise is flawed: That the USA would never ever consider using nukes.

        That’s stupid. They literally already have. And that’s why this threat feels credible too. If the threat is credible (and that’s up to your own interpretation here), then the basis for calling Kim Jong-Un insane is invalid.

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    Hmm… I still don’t think we should regret our decision not to vote for Harris. If I recall, the Democrats were wanting to attack Iran much sooner.

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        I get where you are coming from, but just imagine what Kamala’s tweet would look like while announcing exactly the same intent, talking about the voices of Iranian protesters, women, and everything, stuff Trump says too mumbling abt the Mullahs, but consider the possibilities with a more refined Obama-like gleam to it. I can’t say I prefer the savagery of this white Obama but the Polymarket aura around him will make everything even worse in the best way

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          I just hate these fantasy scenarios as if it really matters who’s president. It’s annoying enough when liberals do it. From leftists I hope that they focus on the actual powers behind these atrocities which is not the president. I know you’re being ironic and it’s not a big deal, I just felt the need to voice my frustration. Though even ironically posting like that is doing free work for the libs who want to make every political conversation be about presidential elections.

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            Fair! We could all hold ourselves to a higher standard of discussion. On that note I will, for at least two weeks, stop experimenting on your minds. Maybe when I come back I won’t want so much chaos

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            I don’t think could stomach her Xanax laugh as Tehran goes out in a nuclear cloud, honestly. Not that trump doing it would be any better, there’s just no humour to find in any of this

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        I’m trying to reassure myself and everyone else we made the correct decision even from a harm reduction perspective. Democrats have historically been more hawkish.

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          What is there to “reassure yourself” or everyone else of? You are under no obligation to vote for a genocide supporter, regardless if they are less or more hawkish.

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            That I made the right call voting third party and thus providing solidarity to others. But. Applying the trolley problem, I’m still not convinced Trump was worse than Kamala even if the choice was simply between the two.

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              The way i see it: if you want to ever get rid of the corporate duopoly you have in the US you cannot keep voting for it. The sooner people stop voting for either of two sides of the same imperialist uniparty coin the better.

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                Well, we’re on good track then. Historically “did not vote” recieves more votes than any candidate.

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    About time my spineless government told him Iran is under our nuclear umbrella or something. I don’t think there are enough adults in US leadership to prevent this idiot from being the president who releases the threequel.

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      US civilization started dying the moment it was born, because it’s a settler colonial state with neoliberalism woven into its soul, or lack thereof.

      The existence of USSR delayed the inevitable for a while, but this was ALWAYS the fate of the US

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      idk lady everything on this app seems fake. if I’m not back for a while pls I’m begging you get on rednote they’ll be so nice to you!! they’re so normal!

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        Done. Now I have to figure out how to find politics…

        Edit: I’m open to suggestions of who to follow?