The Graham Norton Show - Season 33 Episode 04- Bruce Springsteen, Jeremy Allen White, Jennifer Lawrence, Tessa Thompson, Florence The Machine
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00:00MUSIC
00:14Oh!
00:15Oh, thank you very much!
00:19Oh, too kind!
00:21Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you!
00:24Hello!
00:26Good evening, everyone!
00:28You are so welcome to the show.
00:30I tell you, I am blown away by tonight's line-up.
00:34I mean, I couldn't be more blown away
00:36if I was standing next to Celia Imrie on Celebrity Traitors.
00:44Something's been banished.
00:46And they should salute you, Celia.
00:48But hey, look who's here singing for us later.
00:51It's Florence and the Machine!
00:54Yeah!
00:56She'll be performing her new single, Everybody Scream!
01:00And there's lots to scream about on my sofa tonight.
01:04First off, this BAFTA nominated actor starred in Creed
01:06and kicked ass as Marvel's Valkyrie.
01:09Now brings us a dazzling reimagining of Ibsen's head-o-gobbler.
01:13It is Tessa Thompson, everybody!
01:15CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:17There she is!
01:19Hi!
01:20Hello!
01:21Oh, look!
01:22You're in the room!
01:23You're in the room!
01:24How does he do?
01:25She became a global star in the X-Men and Hunger Games film series.
01:31And by the age of 25, had four Oscar nominations to her name,
01:35including Silver Linings Playbook,
01:37which won her the Best Actress Award.
01:39Now she brings us a heart-wrenching performance in Die My Love.
01:43It is a warm welcome back to Jennifer Lawrence!
01:47CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:49Yeah!
01:50Hello!
01:53Hello!
01:54So nice to see you.
01:56Have a seat, do!
01:58Hello!
01:59Hello!
02:01as Tortured Chef Carmy in the bear.
02:04He's won two Emmys and three Golden Globes and counting.
02:08Now, he's playing one of music's Greatest Icons in,
02:10Springsteen!
02:12Deliver Me From Nowhere
02:15It's Jeremy Alan White!
02:16There he is!
02:21Hello, oh!
02:22Nice to see you, have a seat.
02:23Hello again, hello again.
02:24Hello.
02:25Hello m me!
02:26And if you're wondering what the real Bruce Springsteen thinks of Jeremy's performance, let's ask him.
02:32He's one of the greatest American singer-songwriters and a true music legend.
02:37It's our good friend, Bruce Springsteen!
02:40I'm still not used to it. Welcome back, everyone. First time to Jeremy. Hello, nice to see you.
03:05Nice to see you. And actually, welcome to the room, Tessa, because you haven't been in this studio before.
03:10No, we were on Zoom. On the dreaded Zoom. Yeah. This is better, right? Much. Yeah, yeah, free drink.
03:17And Bruce, here's the thing, you walked on there to Born to Run. This year, I think, is that 50 years old?
03:25I was 10 when I recorded it, so yeah. Yeah, that's incredible, isn't it? Yeah. I was born to walk.
03:30And Jeremy Allen White, I've just got to say, we all love you in the bear. You know that.
03:35And the thing is, we have had lots of actors on the show talking about playing real people.
03:44I don't think they've ever been all sat next to the real person. Yeah, yeah, this is kind of unprecedented.
03:49And so, how involved was Bruce during the filming? I mean, Bruce, Bruce was there.
03:55We spent a little bit of time before we got started shooting. We met here, actually, in London for the first time.
04:00At Wembley, I met him before a show. And we got together around New Jersey right before filming.
04:05And then Bruce was around, you know, on set with us.
04:09And I always feel a little guilty about that. You know, I go like, okay, not only does this fellow have to play me, he has to play me while my stupid ass is sitting in the chair watching himself.
04:23Oh, that's awful. Have you apologized?
04:29But he was incredibly tolerant of me, and I'm always thankful. He was so generous of me being there, and I had a great time.
04:36And actually, Tessa Elmer, you have a really strong connection to Bruce.
04:40Yes, deeply. My dad went on tour with Bruce for a while during the Seeker Sessions.
04:45For a year. You and me and your papa played together.
04:48Well, there you are.
04:50Yeah, we went all around the world together. Mark Anthony, and he's a fabulous musician and a great guy.
04:56And I came to one of your shows, which was amazing.
04:59Oh, really?
05:00Yeah, because, you know, growing up with a musician for a father, I would always go to shows with him.
05:04And I don't even know the early ones I went to when I was tiny, but I would have, like, you know, cotton in my ears.
05:09And my dad would put me on his shoulders. And then we went to your show together.
05:13And I kid you not, the guy next to me said, do you want to get on my shoulders so you can see?
05:16Because I couldn't see anything. Your fans are so incredible.
05:20And then I met you backstage. You must have been very little. Yeah.
05:23I almost asked for your shirt, but I decided not to.
05:29And Jennifer, there's a slight link between you and Bruce, because,
05:33was it when you were filming Mother?
05:35Yes.
05:36Tell us.
05:37When I was filming Mother, and I would have to do really intense scenes,
05:41I listened to a song of yours that would kind of bring me out of the funk.
05:45Really?
05:46Yeah.
05:47Can you guess which song it was, Bruce?
05:49It's not born to run.
05:51That would bring you out of the funk.
05:53Yeah, made me really happy.
05:55It's not Nebraska.
05:56One could even say jolly.
06:00Waiting on a sunny day.
06:02No.
06:03Shall I put you out of your misery?
06:06Yes.
06:07It was this.
06:19Look how happy Jennifer is.
06:20I try to be sad.
06:22That always works.
06:23That always works.
06:24Listen, we start tonight with our big two-hander.
06:29Jeremy Allen White is Bruce Springsteen in Springsteen Delivery Me From Nowhere.
06:34It's in cinemas from the 24th of October.
06:36And here's some of the trailer to get us in the mood.
06:39This is a highly unorthodox career move.
06:42That's the point.
06:43He's channeling something deeply personal.
06:47But in this office, my office, we believe in Bruce Springsteen.
06:53Songwriting's a funny thing.
06:54It's about searching for something.
06:55Something that's gonna give your life a little bit of meaning.
06:56This is where you're meant to go.
06:58Don't need to be perfect.
06:59I just want it to feel right.
07:01Ouch.
07:02Um...
07:03Thank you Leslie.
07:04That's the only thing.
07:09Thank you Leslie.
07:10That's a curse.
07:11She'll pare you back.
07:14Thank you Leslie.
07:24cute.
07:30I just want to feel right.
07:31And listen, we should tell people that this isn't a biopic from boy to man.
07:36It focuses on this really specific moment in your life.
07:40Which of you wants to tell us about that?
07:44It's me? You?
07:45Yeah, it's your... Yeah.
07:48It only focuses on about a year and a half or two years in my life
07:53when I was making this record in Nebraska
07:55and going through a variety of different personal struggles at the time.
07:59And so it's nice. It's not a regular music...
08:04It's not really a musical biopic almost at all.
08:08It's really a character-driven drama with music, you know?
08:12And I'm right in thinking these struggles that are portrayed in the film,
08:15we didn't really know about them. Like, they weren't widely known.
08:19Well, I wasn't disseminating that I was losing my mind at the time.
08:22Yeah. Yeah.
08:24So I tried to keep... It's a big thing to know. I mean, yeah.
08:28You know, so, no. It went pretty unknown, you know?
08:33And, Jeremy, you know, you sing these songs.
08:36I do.
08:37But you're a non-singer.
08:39So how... Well, I suppose how daunting,
08:41but also how the hell do you prepare from a standing start to do that?
08:48Yeah, it was tough. I mean, I've been a long-time admirer of Bruce's,
08:53but it took me some time to sort of accept because I remember telling Scott, our director,
08:57you know, are you sure you don't want to cast someone who already knows how to sing and play the guitar?
09:01That might be easier for you guys at the end.
09:03But I got together with, like, really talented people.
09:07I mean, this guy, Eric Vitro, who, uh...
09:10Yes.
09:11Yes, he works with a lot of singers.
09:13He works with Sabrina Carpenter and Ariana Grande and Rosalia and...
09:18But also actors.
09:18And he helps a lot of actors, yeah, like Austin Butler and Timothee Chalamet get ready for sort of these films.
09:25And so I worked with him about six times a week for six months to sound something like Bruce, yeah.
09:35And was that kind of rasp in your voice already?
09:38Um, I think you get that rasp, or I got that rasp from sort of singing songs over and over and over and over again.
09:48It kind of came... It came naturally.
09:50I'd have to get warmed up, sing very hard, and then I could kind of find that voice, yeah.
09:55But he does a very... a very telling thing.
09:59He sings the songs.
10:02Jeremy's performance is not imitative in any way, you know.
10:06When he's singing the songs, he's leaning into the music's internal life.
10:11And he captures the most important thing about performing a piece of music.
10:17And not only does he do that in the songs, but he also does it in his performance.
10:21And it just feels very, very real and very, very authentic, you know.
10:25It really is a distorting performance.
10:27And we're just going to watch a bit of your performance performance.
10:30You on stage as Bruce.
10:32This is you performing Born to Run.
10:35This is Jeremy.
10:35Here we go.
10:36Together with you, we live with the sadness.
10:40I love you at all.
10:41The madness in my soul.
10:45Whoa, Sunday girl, I don't know when.
10:48We're going to get to that place we really want to go.
10:52We'll walk in the sun.
10:54But till a chance like us, baby, we were born to run.
11:00Slanted triumphs like us, baby, we were born to run.
11:04Oh, a chance like us, baby, we were born to run.
11:12Isn't that amazing?
11:15Like, it's like you're channeling him.
11:18It's amazing.
11:19And like, what strikes me is you must have had so much going on in your head doing that.
11:27Because there's a real audience, you're thinking the movements, the voice, everything.
11:30Yeah, yeah.
11:31I mean, it was daunting.
11:32I remember those days being particularly sort of scary.
11:38But what's nice about those environments is, you know, everything else is very real.
11:42I was on stage with real musicians.
11:45The audience was really excited to see the actual Bruce Springsteen, who was there that day.
11:52And, you know, everything was real, except for me.
11:55I was really the only pretender.
11:56But once everything gets going, yeah, it's really easy to, I guess, get lost.
12:02But the build-up, yeah.
12:03Mind is racing.
12:04Trouble, trouble.
12:06Yes, yeah.
12:07And was it, were watching things like that being filmed odder than watching the more intimate scenes?
12:13I'm going to be stealing some of those moves on my next career.
12:16That's how well he did.
12:18I know, extraordinary.
12:19And did you always intend to be there as much as that?
12:22First part of the film, when they first started, we were touring in Canada, so I wasn't there.
12:27But Scott, the director, said, gee, you know, I'd like you to come, you know.
12:31So I went, but I always had a little bit of like, yeah, I don't know, you know.
12:38But he was very kind about it, so I appreciate it.
12:41I think in the beginning, in that first week, when you're on any job, whatever it is, you know,
12:45you're kind of finding your footing and you're a little bit nervous.
12:48And I think in that first week, I didn't know what to expect.
12:51And, you know, you're kind of trying to, like, strum up some delusion and imagination.
12:55And, you know, you see the man you're playing in the corner and it gets difficult to kind of fall into that delusion.
13:03But then he showed up so frequently, it did.
13:05It became, it became normal.
13:08And then, you know, I think, like, in his presence, there was a lot of permission for me and for Scott, our director.
13:14And, you know, he was a great support.
13:17Did Bruce give you notes and things?
13:19No, I think he knows that would have broken me.
13:22That would have been unsafe.
13:23Because you, you've both played real people.
13:26Did you get feedback from the real people?
13:29Um, no, I played Joy Mangano.
13:32In the Miracle Mall.
13:34Joy, the, yeah, inventor of the Miracle Mall.
13:36But, no, I mean, I had, like, drinks with her occasionally, but I don't, I think if she had come on set, I would cry.
13:43Yeah.
13:44I played Diane Nash and she didn't give me any tips or anything, but she had to approve my casting.
13:50So that felt really sweet that she said, yeah, yeah, yeah, she can be me.
13:54Oh, I thought you were going to say bitchy.
13:58No.
13:59I mean, that too.
14:00Say it.
14:01She was like, she'll do.
14:03Actually, that's a good point.
14:05The casting.
14:06Did you have to approve Jeremy?
14:07No, no, I, I, but all I said, when, when Scott came down to my house, the first day we spoke, uh, I'd seen Jeremy on the Bear.
14:17I loved his performance.
14:18I saw how the camera read his interior life and how it read, and how, what a psychological actor he was.
14:28And he was always, he was the first guy I mentioned, and he was, there was, there was no number two.
14:34He was my first choice.
14:35I still can't believe.
14:36That's very impressive.
14:37Yeah, that's unreal.
14:38That was very, I feel very fortunate that he, that he took the job.
14:42And, uh, Jeremy, not a singer.
14:44He's not a singer, but he is now.
14:45But, uh, but a proper dancer.
14:49Yes, I've been told.
14:51Yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:51Yes.
14:51You were a child, you studied and...
14:53It's true.
14:54Yeah.
14:54Yeah, yeah.
14:55I started around eight years old.
14:57I had a lot of energy as a kid, and my parents kind of threw me into anything and everything.
15:02Um, a lot of sports.
15:04That wasn't enough.
15:05We did ballet, tap, and jazz for a very, very long time, until I was like 12 or 13, I guess, something like that.
15:12And you still do the tap, right?
15:14Uh, no.
15:15I thought, I thought, I thought, I thought in between takes you would do tap.
15:18Yes, there is a sort of nervous tick I've found that people on set have told me I have, which is kind of like during the set up in between shots and stuff.
15:28I'll kind of do a shuffle ball change in place as almost like a meditative sort of thing.
15:35I didn't realize I did it until I was told by, um, by castmates.
15:39Jennifer looks like she's never going to work with Jeremy Allen, right?
15:43No, I just, I, I just didn't expect it.
15:47Yes.
15:48I'm like, I didn't know that that was really you singing, and I'm like, wow.
15:52And then, like, kickball change, and I'm just like, wow.
15:54Like, there's just all sorts of different directions.
15:57But Jennifer, when you were young, I love, your parents, for those parents, they were so encouraged.
16:01I really, the info, I hate the information that you get.
16:06But no, your mother, your mother particularly.
16:08My mom thought I could do anything.
16:10She was just like, you are so pretty, and you can sing.
16:13And so I was like, okay.
16:15And so I sang in front of my school, and I can't, I cannot sing.
16:19There's like a video of it.
16:21It's really, really bad.
16:22And weirdly, it's, it's almost.
16:24It's also a Christmas song.
16:25It's also a Christmas song.
16:26Yeah.
16:26You're obsessed with Christmas.
16:28So were you finding out in real time that you couldn't sing?
16:34Yeah.
16:36I kind of, I had a, I had an inkling at rehearsals, because I remember just like not knowing like
16:42what key, and I was just like, ah, and then I saw our, um, lady kind of go like, ah, and
16:52people started laughing, and I, and that was when I was kind of like, I wonder if I'm not
16:57as good as my mom, but it didn't stop me from going in front of the whole school.
17:03Well, Tessa, you are a musician like your dad.
17:05Ah, you sing, and in Creed, as Bianca, we saw you sing, but apparently you were hanging
17:11out with musicians, and that did not end well.
17:15What?
17:15Yeah, well, no, I mean, so I grew up around musicians a lot, and so I've sort of come from
17:22a musical family, but I'm not a trained musician at all.
17:25But when we were making the music Creed, I was like, I really want to immerse myself in
17:29the musician's life, and Ludwig Goreson and I locked ourselves in a studio for two weeks
17:33to make this original music, which was so fun, and mostly we just like ate noodles and, you
17:38know, tried to make up these songs.
17:40But also, we invite these amazing musicians in, and some of them like to like smoke a little
17:44pot, so one day I was like, well, I should, I'm going to do that, because now I'm a musician.
17:49That was your first and only time.
17:51No.
17:53But it was like the stoniest I've ever been in my entire life.
17:59Just so stoned.
18:02Like, I remember just being there on the couch and them being like, okay, let's lay down some
18:05vocals and being like, I don't know how to move.
18:08Did you think everybody was mad at you?
18:10I, yeah, everyone was mad.
18:12I was mad at myself.
18:12I had to go outside to like, be like, like, okay, get back in there, you can do it.
18:18And then I did, and we got through, and it was fine, but I was like, okay, I'm never going
18:20to smoke pot again when I have to perform.
18:23Lesson learnt.
18:24Yeah.
18:24Yes.
18:25That was up.
18:25I used to do a thing where I'd go out in the middle of the concert, somebody would hand
18:31me a full beer, and I'd chug the beer.
18:34It was always okay.
18:35I went to Germany.
18:36Beer is very strong in Germany.
18:43And somebody handed me a huge, a huge cup of beer, and I, I, you know, okay, I'm going
18:49to get it down, chug, chug, chug, chug, chug, chug, chug, chug, chug, chug, chug, chug,
18:52chug, chug, chug, chug, chug, chug, chug, chug, chug.
18:53I get the whole thing down, and about 30 seconds later, I realise, I'm stoned out of my fucking
19:00mouth.
19:01Was it like ecstasy?
19:03Yeah, no, I got on stage, and I said, I sound so fucking good right now.
19:07Yeah, yeah.
19:09I can't believe this.
19:13These people are so lucky.
19:17And very greatly, Bruce, I just wonder, having been through this process of making the film
19:22with Jeremy, what, like, when you go to perform now, do you think it's going to make you kind
19:26of self-conscious, where you go, oh, I'm doing that thing with my shoulders now, or I'm doing
19:30that thing, you know?
19:31Well, the funny thing was, was he did pick up a lot of my on-stage mannerisms, so it,
19:37it, that does make me think, oh, yeah, I, I, I do do that, you know, so, uh, I think
19:42I'll be all right.
19:43I think you'll be all right.
19:44Yeah, yeah, we'll get back into the swing of it.
19:46Uh, just a reminder, you can see Jeremy Allen White as Bruce in Springsteen, Delivery from
19:51Nowhere, and that's from next Friday.
19:53Okay.
19:59Meanwhile, uh, Jennifer Lawrence brings us a powerful drama.
20:03It's called Die, My Love.
20:04It's in cinemas from the 7th of November, and this is really your baby.
20:10I mean, it's your production company made it, but the project was brought to you by a
20:15very posh person.
20:17Well, I don't know if you've ever heard, um, of this filmmaker, Martin Scorsese.
20:22I was like, who?
20:23Um, he read the book in his book club.
20:27That's adorable, isn't it?
20:28Who else is in his book club?
20:29I don't know.
20:30Oh, man, we gotta figure that out.
20:31I know, and like, I could ask.
20:33Yeah, you should ask.
20:34I just don't wanna bother him.
20:35Um, but, uh, yeah, and he was like, I think that you should play this character, and then
20:40when I read the book, it was like, it was, I could, I had a hard time kind of imagining it
20:43as a movie, because it's all, like, inside her head, but I wasn't, like, gonna go back
20:47to Marty and be like, I don't know, I think it's a bad idea.
20:49And it's, uh, you and Robert Pattinson, and you play a young couple.
20:53Yeah.
20:54But then a baby enters your life.
20:57Yes.
20:58A baby, and we have a big move, a baby enters our life, um, we start going through some marital,
21:06you know, troubles, and I'm getting a little cuckooed in my face, uh, um, that's it.
21:14Yeah, but, you and Robert are so good in this film.
21:19Before we talk about it tomorrow, let's look at a clip.
21:21Uh, this is you and Robert Pattinson, uh, well, essentially, not getting on.
21:26This place is a fucking hole.
21:27You moved us into it.
21:28I am working, and when I come home, I'm the one cleaning everything up.
21:32Oh, yeah, three days a week when we shower you in metals.
21:36Shut up!
21:37You have an ashtray on the carpet.
21:39You don't think the baby's eating that shit?
21:40Shut up!
21:41Move us into the house where your uncle shot himself up the fucking ass.
21:46Oh, my God.
21:47Up the ass!
21:48Up the fucking ass!
21:49Stop!
21:50I knew it.
21:51I knew it!
21:52Why are you short-time done?
21:54Why are you not having your short-time done?
21:56Shut up!
21:57Jesus Christ!
21:57Fucking sanctimonious dick.
21:59You're probably pissed off for yourself, but not the fucking dog.
22:01He's your mangy dog, and sanctimonious means that you think you're morally superior to other
22:05people, definitely.
22:06Where's your book going, by the way?
22:08Fantastic thing!
22:09Great American novel.
22:10The main character is about to batter her husband to death with a hammer.
22:13Sounds like shit.
22:14Well, you can't read, so...
22:16Maybe.
22:17You spend the most time.
22:18More than my pants.
22:20More than my writing.
22:22Maybe.
22:22I'd write something.
22:24Maybe.
22:25My hands are down my pants because you put your dick everywhere except there, asshole!
22:28I love that scene all that rage trying not to wake a baby.
22:43Yeah.
22:45There were so many moments like that, because you read the script and it's like, oh, fighting,
22:49you know, and they have a baby and everything, but Rob and I are both parents.
22:52I mean, he had a new baby, like a newborn baby.
22:54And so we were like, there was a scene where we were in the car and we were supposed to
22:58be screaming at each other and the baby was supposed to be in the car.
23:00And then we were like, we can't, we will traumatize this child.
23:05And so there were lots of, I don't know, the babies ended up having a great time, Victoria
23:12and Kennedy, and we, they were very well taken care of.
23:16And I just wondered, you know, you and Robert Pattinson, in an odd way, you share this kind
23:23of almost unique experience where you both found enormous early fame in big franchise
23:30movies, him and Twilight, Younger Games.
23:31And I wondered, did that bond you in any way, or was it kind of a, oh, that's a thing
23:35back then?
23:37Not really.
23:37I think, because like, what else?
23:38I mean, if you think I didn't ask him about Donald Trump tweeting about the breakup with
23:42Kristen, obviously.
23:44Oh my God.
23:45Yes.
23:46Yes.
23:46I don't remember that at all.
23:47He was like, it was like three days after the photos came out with her, with, you know,
23:52whatever.
23:52Three days.
23:52Young people make mistakes.
23:54Um, and Donald Trump was like, he better leave her.
23:58He can do better than her.
23:59Like, a huge rant.
24:01That's like a different kind of, I made it, you know?
24:03Yeah.
24:04Yeah.
24:04Yeah.
24:04I mean, he wasn't president.
24:06Yeah.
24:06Right.
24:06Yeah.
24:07We could sleep at night.
24:08Um, but, anyway, I brought that up.
24:11But, um, no, that wasn't, we, I think we bonded mostly, this is so boring, but like, over our
24:16hands.
24:17Because like, when you have babies, like, you just want to show people like, videos and
24:21pictures and, you know.
24:22But I know you had him over.
24:24Uh, okay.
24:25Did you have him over for dinner?
24:26So, not exactly, so I had my girlfriends over.
24:30We were in our pajamas.
24:32We were watching Little Women.
24:33It was December.
24:34Um, so we were watching both versions.
24:36Right around Christmas time.
24:36Yes.
24:37Um, and then, and he was like, hey, I just wrapped something like a block away from you.
24:41And I was like, oh my God, because Rob is one of the girls.
24:44Like, he wants to gossip.
24:46He wants to, like, he is just one of the gals.
24:48And so I was like, come over.
24:50But he's also like, my daughter, like, he's very, he's a great father.
24:56He's a professional.
24:57He shows up on time.
24:58But like, I wouldn't like trust that like, he like, put a coat on or like, you know,
25:03like, he's not going to like, eat on time or something.
25:05He like, brings out a very like, maternal.
25:07So he comes in and I give him a hug.
25:09And he's like, you have any food?
25:12So hungry.
25:13And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:15Come in, come in.
25:16And then he goes to the bathroom.
25:16And I do have food, but it's in the trash.
25:20And so while he was in the bathroom, I was just like, pulling food out of my garbage can.
25:25And my girlfriends were like, and I'm like, so he eats it and we're all just kind of like, watching him eat this trash.
25:36And then when he was finished, he was like, I'm still hungry as a mole.
25:40And I'm like, well, there is, but it's, it's in the garbage.
25:43And he's like, I don't mind.
25:44And then he's like, I'll get out of the trash and he kept eating it.
25:50He sounds like the ideal house guest.
25:52Yeah, yeah.
25:55And this film, this is made by your production company.
25:58Yes.
25:59And this is you kind of taking control and being, you know, choosing your projects carefully.
26:04Because was there a time where you kind of wanted to step away?
26:08You wanted to kind of take the heat off being Jennifer Lawrence.
26:11Yeah, I made COVID happen.
26:12Okay.
26:15That'll do it.
26:16Yeah, I was just like, I want to take a break.
26:18And it was like, the world is starting to...
26:19Yeah, I took a little time.
26:23I mean, I was like working all my 20s, you know, so then I was like, what's, what's out here?
26:28Yeah.
26:28What's going on?
26:29And did you worry about, you know, maybe you wouldn't be able to get back into it or...
26:35I think I was like, I think I was at peace with that possibility of happening.
26:40I was like, you know, this is a lot.
26:44Yeah.
26:44I think I would have been fine.
26:46Well, I mean, no.
26:47I mean, I would be really upset.
26:48But I don't know.
26:49No, because Jeremy, obviously, because of the bear, you're famous everywhere.
26:52But in Chicago, you're, like, apparently unbelievably famous in Chicago.
26:57Extra famous in Chicago.
26:58Yeah.
26:58Yeah.
26:59Yeah, um, yes.
27:01Is it fun?
27:03Is it fun?
27:04Um, uh, uh, yeah, I mean, I can get, like, a dinner reservation and that kind of stuff is really nice.
27:11And, uh, but I do have, I mean, after the first season was as successful as it was,
27:18they gave me a, uh, a security guard, uh, this wonderful man, Moody.
27:22Um, and Moody follows me around, uh, on set everywhere.
27:27And, um, there was one particular evening and we were shooting on location, uh, in Chicago.
27:32And we were very near a, um, or very near a, uh, school, a college.
27:37And there was kind of, like, a group of mostly very small young women that were, like, excited to see everybody there.
27:44You.
27:44No, no, no.
27:45I was out of seeing you.
27:46I was there.
27:46And, um, and they were kind of barricaded very, very far away from where we were shooting.
27:52And I kind of get out of the van and I'm approaching and they all kind of shout out.
27:58Again, they're maybe 20 yards away.
28:01They start shouting and Moody, this very large man, lifts me in the air by my hips,
28:08parries me up the stairs, shoves me in the door as if these young women were going to, you know, really, really get me.
28:15And I remember telling him, please do not ever, ever, grab me by the hips again.
28:22That's so funny.
28:23It was so, so, so insane.
28:25And he felt very bad.
28:26I love you, Moody.
28:26Maybe, uh, if you're, if you're seeing this, it's all, it's all okay.
28:29But it was a wild, wild thing that he did.
28:31Yeah.
28:32That's not good.
28:33I have the same problem except, uh, everyone is 70 and you don't have to worry about it.
28:37LAUGHTER
28:38APPLAUSE
28:40And, uh, Tessa, you're another actor who, you've got a production company now.
28:48You're kind of taking control of your career.
28:50What's your production company called?
28:51It's called Viva Maud.
28:53Ooh, that's a good name.
28:53It's a good name.
28:54Like this spirit of, uh, a character called Maud from a movie that I love called Herald and Maud.
28:59Oh, yeah.
29:00Well, listen, the first project from Tessa's production company, uh, to hit the screens is Hedda.
29:05It's available to watch globally on Prime Video starting on the 29th of October.
29:10So, obviously, the source material for this is Hedda Gobbler.
29:14Yeah.
29:14But this is, uh, how are you describing it?
29:16It's more than an adaptation, isn't it?
29:18It's sort of a reimagining.
29:20I mean, we've tried to capture the spirit of the play, but it's set in 1950s in the UK in an English country house.
29:26It sort of feels like part murder mystery in a way.
29:29And Nia DaCosta, who's the brilliant director-writer, has sort of updated the text in some interesting ways.
29:35One of the iconic characters from the piece has been gender-swapped.
29:38So, it feels, yeah, different than the original.
29:41But hopefully, for people that like it, it satisfies that, too.
29:44All right, well, here's a clip just to give us a taste of the feel of the whole thing.
29:49Have you seen?
29:50What?
29:51What age?
29:52Hedda, darling.
29:53What are you up to?
29:55You'll see.
29:56So, you're not leaving, are you?
29:57Best to resist temptation.
29:59Ah, come on, Eileen.
30:00You're stronger than that.
30:02What has got into you?
30:06Sometimes I can't help myself.
30:09Jesus, these people.
30:10Why are you like this?
30:13What are you so praying for?
30:16I hope you're happy.
30:22Don't I look happy?
30:23Woo!
30:24That was so fun.
30:28What did you say?
30:30I'm so happy to come on.
30:34What did you say?
30:35I said, her cheekbones are fucked up.
30:39In a beautiful way.
30:40Oh, God, yeah.
30:42Yeah.
30:42Now, here's the thing.
30:43Everyone's very familiar with the story of Hedda Gobbler.
30:46But just a little refresher for the people, what is Hedda Gobbler about?
30:51The original piece is about a woman named Hedda Gobbler, or Gobbler, depending on how you want to say it.
30:57And she is in a marriage that she isn't too happy with, and someone from her past comes along and kind of unravels her night.
31:06In our rendition, there's, so in the original piece, there's a party that happens offstage.
31:11In our rendition, we brought everything to the party.
31:15So, the film is a big party, and also, it is significantly gayer and kinkier than Ibsen's original.
31:24Yeah, stupid Henrik.
31:25Sick.
31:26Here's the thing, though.
31:27English accent, very good.
31:29Thanks very much.
31:30Such a specific English accent.
31:32Yeah.
31:32How did you find it, if you know what I mean?
31:35We like the idea of it being sort of like, I want, I really like, like, very close to the Queen's English.
31:40I just think it's so fantastic, and I like people that are, like, so posh that they just don't even move their mouths at all, you know?
31:48Like, I really love that.
31:49We couldn't go quite there, but it's sort of inspired by a lot of voices during that time.
31:54And, of course, we have heard your English accent before as Valkyrie in Thor.
31:59But that was filmed in New Zealand, so apparently the New Zealand accents were more challenging than your English accent.
32:04Oh, yeah, hugely, because they, I mean, first of all, our accents in that are sort of, like,
32:10in the comics, it's just italic, so we do, like, an inspired by.
32:15But in New Zealand, they say, like, instead of they say, well, Natalie Portman, because she's so much shorter than Chris Hemsworth,
32:23they had to build this deck for her so that when they're walking alongside each other, they look like they're relatively the same height.
32:30But in New Zealand, it's so sweet.
32:32And she just, like, always had to have it around.
32:35That's true.
32:36You said you do that sometimes?
32:38I feel like sometimes I need an apple box so things don't look too strange, yeah.
32:42Yeah.
32:42That is so cute.
32:43I live that life, too.
32:45So she had this deck that they built, but there, with the accent, it doesn't sound like deck.
32:53Sounds like something else?
32:54Yes.
32:54So they'd come in, they'd be like, just bring in the deck.
32:59Natalie's got to get on the deck.
33:02Fantastic.
33:03And we really loved it.
33:04I thought it was hard to keep an English accent when you're surrounded by New Zealand accents.
33:09Yeah.
33:09That's why it's, you know, hodgepodge.
33:12It was perfect.
33:13Yeah.
33:14And, but it wasn't just the accent, you've been very vocal about the costume as well.
33:17You did not like Valkyrie's costume.
33:19No, I love her costume.
33:20I just think that, I don't know if you felt this, no one prepares you for when you play a super...
33:25Super...
33:26Oh, my God.
33:27So uncomfortable.
33:28Why do they do it?
33:29They didn't give me, like, a thing to pee, like, with Mystique.
33:33There was nothing.
33:34I mean, I couldn't pee.
33:36Okay, so the...
33:37They were like, she doesn't have to go to the bathroom.
33:38Same.
33:39So I had that issue, and then I was like, we have to do something about this.
33:42Yeah.
33:42And so they put, like, a zip in there, but you still have the whole costume.
33:46Oh, they gave me a funnel.
33:48Yeah, they gave me that, too.
33:49They gave me that, too, but I was like, I don't, I can't.
33:52Good for you.
33:52I don't, I can't do it.
33:55Well.
33:55You used the funnel?
33:58Yeah, I was like, oh, sorry.
34:01It was mostly, did you ever have accidents with it?
34:04Mm-hmm.
34:06So you were just, like...
34:08I would just, like, come back with little drops of pee.
34:10Same.
34:10And everybody was like, oh.
34:14That's why I was afraid.
34:15It was more that I was afraid of my ability with the funnel.
34:18I'm so impressed that you've made it work.
34:20Well, I mean, not, you know, perfectly.
34:23You use the funnel?
34:23Yes, I'm very often.
34:24Bruce uses the funnel.
34:24Well, you were born with a funnel, no?
34:28LAUGHTER
34:29You were born with a funnel.
34:30I love you.
34:32I have two sons.
34:34I know how this works.
34:34LAUGHTER
34:35And, oh, here's the thing.
34:38Jeremy, you know about big movie franchises,
34:41because you are, you're joining the Star Wars world, aren't you?
34:44Oh, my God.
34:44Oh, my God.
34:45Oh, my God.
34:45Oh.
34:45Yes, it's true.
34:47Yeah.
34:47Yes.
34:48Now, is this correct?
34:49You are playing Rotter the Hutt.
34:51That's correct.
34:52Rotter, yes.
34:53Yeah.
34:54And is Rotter any relation to Jabba the Hutt?
34:58That's correct.
34:59Yes.
34:59Oh.
35:00That's Dad.
35:02Oh.
35:03Yeah.
35:04I'm hoping the apple fell quite far from the tree.
35:07LAUGHTER
35:08You know, it's interesting.
35:09I can't say too much about it, but no, I look very much like that in the film.
35:14I just do voice work in the film.
35:16Oh.
35:16I'm not, you know, putting on any...
35:17So you won't need a funnel.
35:19No funnel necessary, no.
35:21He has a funnel.
35:22LAUGHTER
35:23We have our funnels.
35:25Um, he's just a bit broader, but still like, um, a Hutt, yes.
35:30It's kind of like him and the Mandalorian running around for a lot of the movie together.
35:35So Rotter can run?
35:37Rotter can move, yeah, quickly, yes.
35:39OK.
35:40Yeah, yeah, yeah.
35:41I'm intrigued.
35:42Yeah, good.
35:42And very quickly, Bruce, your band, the Cast...
35:46I say, the Castiles.
35:47That's correct.
35:48Was it...
35:49Were you literally named after the soap?
35:51Yes, I was.
35:52Or we were.
35:53Did you pick...
35:54I mean, how did you come up with that name?
35:55It was a...
35:56It was a popular shampoo in Freehold, New Jersey at the time.
36:00And in those days, it was kind of on the cusp of the 50s and 60s,
36:06so names like, uh, the Dells, the Chirelles, uh...
36:10You know, so the Castiles sounded, you know, suited for its moment, anyway.
36:16And how old were you when you were in the Castiles?
36:18I was 15.
36:1915.
36:19We've got a picture of you in the Castiles age 15.
36:23Here we go.
36:24Now...
36:25Now...
36:26Yeah.
36:26I know, guess which one.
36:31I know, guess which one.
36:32I mean, I figured it out by elimination, but it's not obvious at all.
36:37It's the guy with all the acne.
36:40Well, that doesn't narrow it down.
36:41It's this one, right?
36:46That's correct.
36:47Yeah.
36:47I mean, you two look really different.
36:50You're the hottest one.
36:51The one on your right, who's he?
36:54Well, he got in the band because he was just so handsome.
36:59Right.
37:00I still think he's number two.
37:01And his hair was perfect.
37:05A friend of mine, Paul Popkin.
37:06Which meant a lot in those days.
37:10And I'm guessing you were slightly influenced by the Beatles.
37:12Would that be right?
37:13Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
37:15It's just a whiff of it.
37:17It took a lot to get my hair that straight, I'm going to tell you.
37:21Do you have curly hair?
37:23I have curly hair.
37:25When I had hair.
37:26And I used to steal my mother's long bobby pins and stick it in my hair at night
37:32and sleep it like this on the pillow until it would be some semblance of...
37:37Well, it was worth it.
37:38...fabulous thing I had to make you see.
37:40Look at you there.
37:41And what a Bruce Springsteen, everybody.
37:45Oh.
37:46Ooh.
37:50And right, it's time for music.
37:52Since her debut in 2009, she has won Brit Awards,
37:55headline glass and Marie, and sold over 10 million albums worldwide.
37:58Here performing her new single, Everybody Scream,
38:01it is Florence and the Machine!
38:03CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
38:05Get on stage, and I call her by her first name.
38:28Say it.
38:29Try to stay away, but I always meet her back.
38:35at this place.
38:36Scream.
38:39She gives me everything.
38:41I feel no pain.
38:43I break down, get up, and do it all again.
38:47Because it's never enough.
38:50And she makes me feel loved.
38:52I can come here and scream as loud as I want.
38:56Everybody sing.
38:58Everybody sing.
39:03Yeah.
39:05Everybody move.
39:06Yeah.
39:07Yeah.
39:11Everybody sweep.
39:11Yeah.
39:12Here I don't have to be quiet.
39:14Here I don't have to be kind.
39:16Extraordinary and normal, all at the same time.
39:20But look at me run myself ragged, blood on the stage.
39:25But how can I leave you when you're screaming my name.
39:36I don't have to be quiet.
39:37Yeah.
39:38Yeah.
39:38Yeah.
39:38Yeah.
39:39Yeah.
39:39Yeah.
39:39Yeah.
39:39Yeah.
39:40Yeah.
39:40Yeah.
39:40Yeah.
39:41Yeah.
39:41Yeah.
39:42Yeah.
39:44Yeah.
39:44Yeah.
39:44But I'll come for you in the evening.
39:46Radged and reeling, shaking my gold-like tambourine.
39:52A bouquet of brambles, all twisted and tangled.
39:55I'll make you sing for me
39:58I'll make you scream
40:00Everybody dance!
40:04Everybody sing!
40:08Everybody move!
40:14Everybody scream!
40:17Here I can take up the whole love sky
40:20Unfurling, becoming my full size
40:24Look at me burst through the ceiling
40:26Aren't you so glad you came?
40:29Breathless and begging and screaming my name
40:34Screaming my name
40:43Everybody jump!
40:49Everybody sing!
40:51Everybody move!
40:53Everybody scream!
40:55Everybody shake!
40:57Put down your screen
40:59Everybody up!
41:01Everybody scream!
41:03I'll drop the medicine, the spells and the injections
41:08The harvest, the needle
41:09Protect me from evil
41:11The magic and the misery
41:13Madness and the mystery
41:15Oh, what has it done to me?
41:18Everybody scream!
41:20Oh!
41:22Wow!
41:24Wow!
41:26Mariah to the machine, everybody!
41:28And her band and her choir!
41:31Come on over, Florence Do!
41:33Come and join us!
41:35Here she comes!
41:38I'll take it, I'll take it
41:40Don't worry about it
41:41Give it to me!
41:43Thank you very much
41:44Hello!
41:44Thank you so much for that
41:46It's gorgeous
41:46Come on up here
41:47Tessa, Jenna, Jeremy, Bruce
41:51Madness, Clarence
41:53Oh, wow!
41:54Hi!
41:55Thank you so much for that, Florence
41:56Now, you know people, don't you?
41:59Yes
41:59Yeah
42:00Tessa, it's so nice to see
42:01Yeah, you're probably
42:02Your friend, Tessa knows everybody
42:03No
42:04And I know you know Bruce
42:06Because weirdly
42:07You were on the show together before
42:08This is where we hang out
42:09I don't know
42:10Yeah
42:10It's absolutely true
42:12So yeah, this is where me and Bruce meet up every four years
42:16Yeah
42:16So this is our annual meet-up
42:18So I'm so glad you came
42:19I'm so glad you came
42:21But here's what we do
42:23Last time you did not reveal
42:24That you have history with Mr. Springsteen's music
42:28I was too shy
42:29But
42:31And overwhelmed by bright lights
42:33And I don't even know if I said anything when I sat down
42:35But I basically
42:37Was too shy to tell you that one of the first songs
42:40That I ever started performing was I'm Going Down
42:43So we used to
42:44Really?
42:44Yeah, I used to play it with my friend Kid Harpoon
42:47And we sang it as a duet
42:48Holy cow
42:49And we used to play it in all like the pubs and clubs of London
42:52Because you know when you're starting out
42:54You don't really have any songs
42:55Of course
42:56Like we had like
42:57I had three of my own songs
42:59And I'm Going Down was one of the other covers I used to play along
43:02So yeah, it's
43:04I was too shy to tell you that last time
43:06But I'm so glad that we had our annual meet-up
43:08I love it
43:09I love it
43:12And that's an unusual choice for a duet
43:14But
43:14He doesn't like it
43:17I'm flattered
43:18Take it back
43:19We'll do this in another four years
43:21We'll discuss
43:22Or you two will do it here
43:24Oh, that was a lovely idea
43:27Yes
43:27Oh, yes, yes
43:31Yes
43:32A collab
43:34A collab
43:34It was born on the show
43:36I'm producing now
43:37Yes, I should say that single
43:40Everybody Scream
43:41It's from the upcoming album of the same name
43:44Here it be
43:45And it's out
43:46Yes
43:47Yeah, right of course
43:48There it all is
43:51And fittingly for Everybody Scream
43:53It's out on Halloween
43:55Was that all planned?
43:57Yeah, it was all planned
43:58And I actually turned this album around faster than usual
44:02Because I just wanted to make this day
44:04I was like, no, we have it all rhymes
44:06We have to make this day
44:07Because it all rhymes
44:08Front of the Machine
44:09Everybody Scream
44:09Out on Halloween
44:10And
44:11Marketing genius
44:14Marketing genius
44:16And Front of the Machine on tour
44:19Next year
44:20And am I right
44:22This is academic
44:23Because it's
44:24What is it
44:25Do the whole thing still out in an hour or something?
44:27It's sold out very fast
44:29Yeah
44:30Yeah
44:30And this is not just the UK
44:32It's Europe as well
44:33All gone
44:33UK and Europe
44:34It's all gone
44:35But you are going to
44:36Presumably
44:36I'm not your manager
44:38But are they adding dates?
44:41No, that's it
44:42Okay
44:43It's gone
44:44It's on
44:45But it's gone
44:46I'm just saying
44:47It's 242,500 tickets
44:50All gone
44:51Wow
44:52Wow
44:52That is impressive
44:54And you are putting on a show
44:58It's not
44:59Is the idea that it's going to be
45:01Like spooky
45:02Yeah
45:04So
45:05We wanted to do something
45:07A little different
45:08It's such a personal record
45:11That there needed to be
45:12A really solid world around it
45:14And we also wanted to do things
45:15We'd never done before
45:16And
45:16I wanted moments of it
45:18To be like really genuinely terrifying
45:20So yeah
45:21You know
45:22It's good if you didn't get a ticket
45:24It's very funny
45:25People handing them back now
45:28Don't stop complaining
45:29Listen
45:30Good luck with the tour
45:31And thanks again
45:32For that amazing performance
45:33Florence and the Machine
45:34That was so fun
45:38It's a hug
45:43Right that's really it
45:47Before we go
45:48Just time for a visit
45:49To the big red chair
45:50Who have we got
45:51Hello
45:51Hello
45:52Hi what's your name
45:53Jonathan
45:54Hello Jonathan
45:55And where are you from
45:56I'm from
45:57East Horsley
45:58In Surrey
45:59Wow
46:00Very specific in the end
46:01And what do you do there
46:04I'm retired
46:05Okay
46:06What did you do before
46:07Worked at the London Stock Exchange
46:09Okay
46:10Did you take early retirement
46:12Yes
46:13We stopped caring about the story now
46:19Off you go Jonathan
46:21Off you go
46:21Okay so
46:22I'm at a family barbecue
46:25At the in-laws
46:27And the children
46:28Are running around
46:29In the garden
46:30And we have a new puppy
46:32When we're tidying up
46:34After eating the meal
46:36I'm sure that I see
46:38A chicken drumstick
46:41Fall off a plate
46:42To the floor
46:43But when I look at the floor
46:46It's not there
46:47But the puppy is
46:48Now I have a hard time
46:50Persuading anyone
46:52That this puppy
46:53Which is this big
46:54Has swallowed a drumstick
46:55That's this big
46:56But I persuade my in-laws
46:58To search
46:58The rubbish
47:01To count the drumsticks
47:03And lo and behold
47:04There is one missing
47:05So
47:06I like this story
47:10It's very mysterious
47:11I was going to say
47:12Dump him
47:13No no I like it
47:14My wife says
47:15Well if the dog
47:17Had eaten a chicken bun
47:18It has to go to the vet
47:19So she takes him off
47:20To the vet
47:21And I stay behind
47:23With the children
47:24And long story short
47:26She runs off with the vet
47:28That is an excellent story
47:34You can watch her
47:37Yeah
47:38I mean
47:43Make that movie somebody
47:47That's all we've got time for
47:54If you'd like to have to go
47:55On the red chair yourself
47:56And tell your story
47:57You can contact us
47:58By our website
47:58At this very address
47:59Please say huge thank you
48:01To all of our guests
48:01Tonight
48:01Florence and the Machine
48:03Tessa Thompson
48:05Jennifer Lawrence
48:09Jeremy Allen White
48:12And Mr Bruce Springsteen
48:16Join me next week
48:21With Little Sims
48:22Rachel Zegler
48:24Brian Cranston
48:25Sarah Paulson
48:26And Kim Kardashian
48:27I'll see you then
48:28Good night everybody
48:28Bye bye
48:29When Bruce Springsteen
48:33Came to Britain
48:34Sharing memories
48:35On BBC iPlayer
48:36And there you can watch
48:38His 1975 concert
48:40With the E Street Band
48:42First of all
48:57It's just the greatest
48:59I mean there's nothing better
49:00Than kissing a man
49:02In a movie
49:02And people say
49:04That's difficult
49:04But they're wrong
49:05They're dead wrong
49:07It depends on the man
49:09Like look at
49:09You and me kiss now
49:10Okay
49:11Oh no
49:12This is exciting
49:14No no
49:15This is like
49:16This
49:17I've got to tell you
49:17This is so exciting
49:18This is so exciting
49:19First of all
49:20I hit them
49:21Because if you don't
49:22Hit them
49:22Look he needs to be
49:23He needs punishment
49:24Okay
49:25I'm going to go like this
49:27You big idiot
49:28Oh I love that
49:33Oh that's made my life
49:35That's made my life
49:36Thank you so much for this
49:38Thank you
49:38Thank you
49:39Thank you
49:40Thank you
49:40Thank you
49:41Thank you
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