I am only now discovering the sheer addictiveness of Sid Meier's Civilization.

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I am only now discovering the sheer addictiveness of Sid Meier's Civilization.

Pic relevant. I’ve tried playing the new Civ games several times, and quickly end up quitting because I find them too overwhelming and find it hard to want to deal with the learning curve.

It occurred to me that part of the problem might be that I was jumping into a very old franchise that has been getting increasingly complicated over the years. Had a hunch I would have better luck with the original, so I went onto one of those play-dos-in-your-browser sites, dove in, and sure enough I am hooked!

Do I know what I’m doing? Not really, but stuff is happening and my civilization is growing, and it’s a good time.

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I’ve been playing since 1991. My friend had a copy and I was so into it I’d go over to his house to play it when he wasn’t home. Then I got my own copy and I haven’t stopped playing since.

Well, except that one time where I had to have my wife hide the Civ V disc from me because I couldn’t stop myself.

I guess what I’m saying is take breaks and go outside, but I know your life will be “just one more turn…” from here on out.


Never too late to dicover a classic.

By sheer chace I came across Alpha Centauri (wikipedia) a sequel to the original Civilization on gog.com. Best purchase ever. Exceptional gameplay. The best 5$ I remember spending.

Alpha Centauri is a game I’ve had since release. Ended up building a dual P3 1Ghz box so I could play without experiencing extreme slow downs during end game when the whole world is visible.

I still do a playthrough once a twice a year.


“Don’t go, the drones need you”

Sequal to civ2 though I think?

I think you may be right.




I helped develop Unciv.

Have fun.

Thank you for your service o7


You’ve helped me waste dozens of hours I should be giving to the corporation. Thank you for doing your part.



Had to uninstall Unciv from my phone.
Having a Civ-like app 24/7 available in my pocket isn’t something I can handle…

C’mon bro just one more turn.

l mean, I should still have plenty of time, as it is still quite early in the evening!
*looks at watch*: 2:49am


… When did the sun rise?




I was babysitting the neighbours kids one night and their dad was like “kids are in bed feel free to play civ (III) until we are back”

I had no idea what he was talking about and he delayed his date night to give me a tutorial. Gave me the CD rom after because it wasn’t needed to play. Great times.

that is an oddly specific suggestion

Yeah, I think it was the only game he had.




Just one more turn, bro.

Then you’ll totally go to bed.

Omg its 6am and I need to go to work



I spent so much time playing this version, loved it but not the 30min+ turns while waiting to do a move in end game. Depending which version you are playing, you can save before entering one of the random village huts and if you get something you don’t like (attacked) you can reload and it will reroll the hut. Not all versions allowed this

Turn off display enemy moves and it goes much faster.



I played more Civ 1 than any of the later games. Civ 2 is also great as is 4 (3 is decent, but I wasn’t nearly as enthralled with it). Every game in the series since has had aspects to it that I disliked enough to keep me from continuing to play and I heard enough bad comments about 7 to not both buying it.

I made the mistake of buying 7. “It’s Civ, how bad can it be?” I literally forgot it existed until reading your comment. When I want to play Civ I pull out 6.

ALWAYS play one generation behind with Civ because they don’t actually finish the last game until the new one comes out. Civ 7 will probably be fine, in like a year and a half.

Honestly, one could probably just keep playing Civ 5 without missing much unless there is a specific mechanic in Civ 6 that you enjoy. If you just use it to play risk (i.e. military victories only) Civ IV is probably the best version.

I seem to be this minority. Civ 4 on the Xbox 360 was my first but Civ V was the first on PC and I have wasted away many Saturdays playing.

I almost deleted it from my MacBook before forgetting that I still have a game from a few weeks ago I’m near completing. I branched off to nuke Alexander off the map because he was a dick to everyone but then everyone feared me and I felt bad and haven’t returned.




Thoughts on Alpha Centauri*?

While I loved the premise and lore, I felt a bit overwhelmed.

*The game, but if you wanna share thoughts on the star system, I’m all ears (not literally).

Alpha Centaui is a masterpiece and I feel it is better than any actual Civ game.

Spurred by your comment here, I did a search and Alpha Centauri is presently $2.49 on Steam. Looks like I’ll need to try that now too. 🥳

I hope you enjoy it!

SMAC (Sid Meier’s Alpha Centauri) had some really interesting ideas and mechanics. SMAC is based on “well what happens after you win Civ via space race” and has actual lore, but I didn’t feel it in any way limited the replayability. There is an expansion, Alien Crossfire, that is also included in the pack on Steam. The expansion included new factions, a bunch of different game mechanic tweaks and “secret projects” (aka wonders like in Civ), but you can play them separately and I think I’d encourage you to play the original first as not all of the changes were necessarily better, just different.

It probably won’t matter since you enjoyed Civ 1 just fine, but there are some of the mods out there that can update the graphics and things like that.






I’ll add my vote for Sid Meyer’s Alpha Cebtauri, it is a masterpiece. If you want to branch out Master of Magic is also quite fun and adds some interesting twists. Though it’s not a Sid Meyer game. There’s even a remake of it.

Alpha Centauri was the shit. I played the heck out of that.



Civ 2 is still and always will be the best civ Boat stacking armies for an invasion was the bomb

Getting pulled into nonsense by the war hawks was so frustrating yet so peak


FMV advisors best advisors.

Especially culture dude. Those anarchy councils were hilarious.

And the throne room





Civ 2 is my favorite, plus it has a large collection of fan-made scenarios that cover almost every single sci-fi franchise with some fantasy mods as well, plus lots of historical scenarios that are fun to play.

There’s even a mod that lets you play mafiosi in a SC2K-like NY:

It is also a time capsule in who we were twenty odds years ago.

Any pointers on how I can play Civ 2? I have a physical copy I inherited from my dad when he passed but I haven’t found it on Steam or GOG and don’t even know where to begin to try and get the physical copy to work.

I too have the original box with a CD that can’t be read. Maybe hypothetically one could search for it using the word abandonware and find it. It’s true though it hasn’t yet made available at any of the online stores.



I noticed there is a Final Fantasy mod. I will have to try that.



I’ve played the first five Civ games and I have fond memories of buying units with diplomats! There’s also FreeCiv which is an open source project that’s very similar to Civ2 but probably supports modern hardware better. It’s been built for android but from what I understand they’re built by third parties so if you’re tech savvy or feeling adventurous you could build it yourself. I played it many years ago in a really rough state where nothing was explained and my own knowledge of Civ 2 was the only thing that made it playable but from what I have heard it’s much better now.

Fun fact, Civ1 was ported to the SNES and Civ2 was ported to the PlayStation.


I remember hitting “next turn” and going to eat, because it d take 30min to compute all AIs lol. I d save literally every turn


If you enjoy the original Civilization, be sure to try out Freeciv. Basically the original game but with expanded gameplay and updated for compatibility. It’s OpenTTD to Transport Tycoon, if you’re familiar with those games. It also has multiplayer features, and there are sites that run turn-per-day MMO events.


I really love this approach and find myself employing it more the older I get. The second game has the best simplicity/fun ratio imo but 4 is also pretty good in that regard.


Civ III was the height of the Civilization franchise.


it’s the opposite for me. I can’t get into the old ones. I should be able to though. I think I understand the game, have some hours playing five and six, but my ADHD gets the better of me with these user interfaces


I have an original Civ2 disk with my CD stacks. Only one remaining cd-rom…


cough heroes of might and magic III cough

Yess, was playing that recently too. Love that game.

yeah me too, love that game to bits




Peaked at Civ 4, been downhill from there.

If the idea of having Civs that change with the era, but Leaders who stay the same appeals to you…

Humankind did it better than Civ 7.

Humankind had so much potential. I wish they had spent more time fleshing out the late game and fixing their multiplayer code.

I mean they have been rolling out updates and fixes since launch, couple of content packs, balance tweaks, reworked a number of systems…

They’re currently working on a scenario, WW2 Pacific, sounds at least broadly similar to the kinds of scenarios in earlier Civ games, in concept.

I would hope that after that, they can eventually get to something approaching proper mod tools.

Yeah, it was a bit of a buggy mess of a launch, no arguing that, but they have been and are still just slowly refining and improving the game.

Of the seemingly fairly small number of people still playing it… Recent Reviews = Mostly Positive.


Personally, I don’t know why you’d play any deep strategy game multiplayer.

Every time I’ve tried multiplayer, in any 4X / Grand Strategy game… everyone is annoyed that I am taking too long, to, you know, evaluate this considerably complex strategy game, with tons of potential upside to taking your time to micro manage things.

If I am able to take my time, I tend to snowball and by mid or late game, be either winning to the point everyone else quits, or be the only reason why a group of players vs group of AIs game has not totally fallen apart yet.

But I am one of those apparently rare people who plays single player on the biggest maps and slowest time scales my system can manage…

… I just have way more enjoyment that way, and I appreciate that the AI in Humankind at least seems to me to be generally better at playing the game than most AIs in most 4X / Grand Strat games, when the player and AIs are on an equal footing in terms of bonuses/maluses.

My partner and I love to sit next to each other and play these kinds of games co-op — or mostly co-op since they have a bad habit of going Gandhi in 4X games. It’s us versus the world, as it’s always been. ❤️

Ah, well, I’ve never had a partner with any interest in strategy games.

Foreign concept to me.

That is a pretty good reason to care about multiplayer tho, lol.






I’ve been playing civ since ’96 starting with civ2 on a console. Been playing civ4 beyond the sword for the last 8 months or so. It’s a mod that comes with civ4 complete. Very addictive. I like taking over cities through cultural domination. I usually play 3-5 hrs a night while “watching” tv.


I think my favorite Civilization game is actually Civilization Revolution. It is a casualized console release, but I feel it has just the right amount of complexity to be a really fun, chill game. Also, I like going for an economic victory in that game.

I think I would have really enjoyed Civ Revolution had I not already played a ton of Civ 4 on which it was based. I just couldn’t get over what was missing.

I think the best modern civ is either IV or V depending on how much you just want to do a military conquest victory.

I’d agree, and I prefer 4 to 5 greatly for that very reason.




Came to advise this. Its like “baby’s first civ”. Which sounds reductive and like I’m trying to be mean, but its not. It gives you a good intro to the core concepts.



I actually find the new ones quite good at getting you started, with their dynamic tutorials (I started on 6).

I still missed a lot of stuff that took me several matches to understand, but it explained enough for me to manage the easier difficulties properly and as I learned more about it I started going over to harder challenges.

And even with a thousand hours on Civ6, I ended up having a very similar experience when I started Civ7.


I have vanilla Civ V on Steam and I was able to get Civ VI with a bunch of expansions for free through Epic. VI has some cool stuff, but I think I enjoy V more.

CIV VI really dives into board game-like qualities and while it’s a double edged sword, I think what it does, it does very well. There is room in the series for experimentation and trying new angles. The problem with VII is it doesn’t seem to even know what it wants to be or how it wants to do it. It’s unfortunately a mess that I don’t think they can fix.



Civ 6 was the one that finally got me, and I actually found that easier to get into than 1 and 2, which I had tried before. I did go back from 6 to play earlier titles and also liked 2, 4, and 5, but I keep coming back to 6. Unfortunately, I could not get into 7. I really tried, but I just wasn’t having fun somehow.

Edit: If you like the older titles better, maybe try FreeCiv, which is similar to 2, or UnCiv, which is similar to 5.



I guess Widelands could be to your taste? Also, original SimCity, Micropolis.

I think I downloaded both of these much, but didn’t really get around to playing them. Will have to give them another try.



Most people don’t know: There’s a multiplayer variant of Civilization 1: CivNet. Barely playable today, as it’s a Windows 3.1 game. I loved it till late in the 2000s.

Yup, CivNet seemed the most popular for a while. Somebody also put together a mod archive for WinCiv. I also found there’s an open-source decomp project that is “playable”, but I haven’t looked at how mature that one is.

I’ve been leaning more toward UnCiv and FreeCiv21 with a Civ 1 style tileset. Think I prefer the Civ 2 ruleset though.



I’m late to the party, but if you’re new to Civ and looking for which game to start on, ignore the people who say that you need the DLCs for the “complete” experience.

I started on Civ 6, and fell for this, getting a complete edition (at a deep discount). When I tried to play it, I was quickly overwhelmed by the complexity. Now, 80 hours in, I realized I can play with just the base game rules, and that’s what I’ve been doing, and now I yearn for one more turn. I’ll eventually start playing with the DLC rules, but not before I get a good grasp on the base game.

I started the tutorial for Civ 6 recently, will probably play more. Been bouncing between various Civs off and on, and seems I’ve been playing UnCiv the most at this point - considering it’s right there on my phone all the time.



You’ve got a good point there that I am also often making when talking about gaming and maybe also trying to present gaming to non gamers.

There is so much implicit stuff grown over decades that for some series the barrier of entry is almost impossible for newbies. Be it the control scheme of some fifa or the complexity of a strategy game that just has to surpass its predecessor, not many developers consider this. Sometimes it’s even part of a reason for downfall.

Even just resolution has an impact as well. I started playing Alpha Centauri now. I can tell that this game’s visuals are something I would have loved back when my eyes still worked properly and I’d be playing it on a 1024x768 crt monitor. But now on a 1080p laptop display and my poor sight even with glasses, I’m finding it strains my eyes a lot to play.

By contrast the low rez blocky NES-style visuals of civ 1 are much easier on my eyes, making one more reason this game is easier to get into.

Also adds to this on multiple levels, yes. Eyesight for one but also with lower resolution the developer had to focus on what to display.




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