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00:00Hi, everybody!
00:02Oh, how lovely!
00:04Yay!
00:06Hello! Hello, hello, hello!
00:08Good evening! Good evening, everyone!
00:10You're all very welcome to the show!
00:14It's nearly Christmas!
00:16I think you'll be the set that's rather festive, doesn't it?
00:22Do you like the tree?
00:24Can we get a close-up of the star?
00:26Oh!
00:28Star!
00:30Wrong star!
00:32Listen, we have a great line-up for you.
00:36Look over there, singing for us later,
00:38it's the great Tom O'Dell!
00:44Tom and his 27-piece orchestra.
00:47Count them, a real musical treat.
00:50But what treats have I got for you on my sofa tonight?
00:53Well, this former supermodel swaps the catwalk
00:55for the stand-up stage,
00:57and recently wrote and starred in her own BBC series, Spent.
01:01Now she's on her first major comedy tour, The Afters.
01:04It's a warm welcome to Michelle De Swart!
01:09Well, there she is!
01:11Hello!
01:12Hello!
01:13Hello!
01:14Hello!
01:15Hello!
01:16Hello!
01:17So we can see you!
01:18Michelle De Swart!
01:19Hello!
01:20I first roasted this Irish actor and singer as a contestant on the BBC talent show I Do Anything.
01:27I'd do anything. Since then, she's become an Oscar-nominated star of films like The Lost
01:32Daughter, Wild Rose, and Wicked Little Letters. Now, she brings us the beautiful and heartbreaking
01:37Hamnet. It is Jesse Buckley, everybody!
01:42CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:49So good to see you!
01:51Oh! Have a seat! Jesse Buckley!
01:54And we have the two very funny stars of the comedy reboot of Anaconda. One made us laugh
02:01in comedy classic Anchorman, and kicked Tiny Butt as Marvel superhero Ant-Man. The other
02:06is the star of hits like Jumanji, and this year's blockbuster smash The Minecraft Movie.
02:11It's our good friends Paul Rudd and Jack Black!
02:15CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:18Come on, come on! There you go!
02:22You did it! You did it!
02:24Hello!
02:25Happy to see you!
02:26Welcome, welcome!
02:27Come on!
02:28Come on!
02:29Come on!
02:30Come on!
02:31Come on!
02:32Come on!
02:33That is gorgeous!
02:34Get that thing out of here!
02:35Who wants to hug you twice?
02:36These are such a hug!
02:37A hug!
02:38You're waving!
02:39Yeah, waving, waving!
02:40Yeah, air cases!
02:41No, no, no, no!
02:42Uh-oh!
02:43Oh, it's...
02:44Mind the champagne!
02:45OK, there we go.
02:46Yeah, yeah.
02:47Nice, nice, nice.
02:48I just want to hug you.
02:49CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:51Merry Christmas, everybody!
02:52Sorry.
02:53Merry Christmas!
02:54There you go!
02:55Yeah, that's what it is.
02:56Are you OK there?
02:57I just had a panic that my fly was down.
03:00I should have checked back there.
03:01The tie covers it.
03:02You would be done.
03:04No one's noticed.
03:05Uh, it's a warm welcome back to Paul, Jack and Jessie.
03:08A first-time welcome to Michelle DeSward.
03:10I'm so glad you're here!
03:12We first met on RuPaul's Drag Race UK.
03:15You were a judge.
03:16And the fandom, the people in the audience,
03:18you were a judge, and the fandom,
03:20the people in the audience,
03:21you were a judge.
03:22You were a judge.
03:23You were a judge.
03:24You were a judge.
03:25You were a judge.
03:26You were a judge.
03:27You were a judge.
03:28You were a judge.
03:29And the fandom, the people who loved that show,
03:32loved you.
03:33Did you feel all the kind of Drag Race love?
03:35I did.
03:36I did.
03:37I absolutely loved it.
03:38Also, I was like,
03:39I have trained my whole life for this panel.
03:42Do you know what I mean?
03:43I was like, yes, fashion, comedy and judging.
03:46It's your wheelhouse.
03:48Exactly.
03:49And now, are you going to be OK on the couch tonight
03:51because Michelle has feelings for someone on the couch?
03:56Oh!
03:57Who might that be in shock?
04:00Jesse?
04:01If you could just move out the way, Jack.
04:02Oh!
04:03Oh!
04:04Oh!
04:05Oh!
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04:24Oh!
04:25Like early on, um...
04:26Sorry, guys.
04:27Like, tenacious D is like the blueprint.
04:31Yes.
04:32If there was a score for my early twenties,
04:34it would be tenacious D.
04:36Oh my God, thank you.
04:37So you kept me so much clutch.
04:39That's so sweet.
04:41Wow.
04:42I feel I should apologise to Paul because Jesse Buckley also has a Jack Black thing.
04:51What?!
04:53I get it. I have a Jack Black thing.
04:56There's enough of me to go around.
05:00No, yours is very specific, Jesse.
05:03I, like, say to myself more often than is reasonable,
05:07tip it to the side, cello.
05:09Oh, yeah.
05:10From School of Rock.
05:11It's a bass.
05:12It's a bass.
05:13Yes.
05:14When do you get to say, tip it to the side, cello?
05:16I said unreasonably, like, there's no reason.
05:20But you live, like, rent-free saying that in my head.
05:25That is sweet.
05:27That line, I remember, that wasn't in the script.
05:30George Draculius, great record producer and also he was in charge of, like, the music on that movie.
05:37He would hang out on the set in my trailer and he threw that to me.
05:42He was like, you should say on this next take, you should say, you play cello?
05:47Tip it to the side.
05:48Cello, it's a bass.
05:49And I just took it straight from your head at the end of the movie.
05:52And it is some of people's favourite line.
05:55I'll tell George.
05:56George, if you're watching, thank you.
05:58Great job.
05:59Great writing.
06:00I feel like we should stop saying lovely things about Jack Black now.
06:03It's been too much.
06:04One more for Michelle.
06:05Well, no, I did just watch you take one sip of Campari and take a tea chaser and then drink some water.
06:11I don't take compliments.
06:13It's amazing.
06:14You have a tea and a Negroni.
06:16A white tea, a Negroni and a regular water.
06:19Nice.
06:20With a little bit of morphine drip.
06:22All the food groups.
06:24Well, Jack's ready, let's go.
06:28We'll start with our first big movie tonight.
06:30Paul Rudd and Jack Black star in Anaconda.
06:33It opens in cinemas on Boxing Day.
06:36Check this out.
06:46It's scary.
06:47Double scares, big laughs.
06:49It's everything you want.
06:50How did this...
06:51It's kind of amazing that no one's done this before an Anaconda reboot.
06:55How did this come about?
06:56How involved were either of you?
06:58Well, there was...
06:59The director of this movie made a movie before this called The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent.
07:05Which was with Nicolas Cage and Pedro Pascal.
07:07And both Jack and I were huge fans of that movie.
07:10And when this script kind of showed up, it seemed to have similar DNA to that one.
07:16In that it was just kind of a clever meta comedy, a take on a reboot.
07:21So, I think I kind of worked on it a little bit with them, developing it.
07:25I was interested in doing it.
07:28I was very excited that they would want to work with me.
07:30And then I heard that Jack was maybe going to be involved.
07:33And then it was just the most exciting day.
07:36And then we got on the phone and talked about it.
07:38And it's basically, it's two friends kind of coming together later in life.
07:43Yeah.
07:44Yeah.
07:45Four friends.
07:46Four, you're right.
07:47Steve Zahn and Tandway Newton.
07:49And yeah, we're these four dumbbells who love each other and had great experiences in high school making little dumb films.
07:56And we shared a love of the original Anaconda.
07:59And we decided to go remake this movie out in the jungle.
08:02And then we get swept up in an actual Anaconda nightmare.
08:06But it's really funny and crazy.
08:09I never read anything like it.
08:11And I was mainly excited to work with this guy right here.
08:14Because he makes me laugh so hard until I cry.
08:16And I thought, this is it.
08:18And I told my manager, I was like, I'll do it as long as Paul Rudd is, in fact, attached.
08:24Because sometimes they'll pull a fast one.
08:26They'll pull a switcheroo.
08:27Tennessee switcheroo.
08:28Yeah, no.
08:29Paul Rudd's in it.
08:30They'll sign the thing.
08:31And then they say, oh, Paul couldn't do it.
08:32He had to do it.
08:33No!
08:34I want to make sure.
08:35So now, it's supposed to be set in South America.
08:37But you filmed in Australia, was it?
08:39Yeah.
08:40Yeah.
08:41Yeah.
08:42Apparently, that wasn't our decision.
08:44But we had a great experience in Australia pretending to be in Brazil in the rainforest.
08:50Yeah.
08:51The Gold Coast.
08:53Nice.
08:54And you were in real swamps.
08:57Yeah.
08:58The first day, the first day of shooting for me was, I don't know, it was a night shoot.
09:04And we were in a swamp.
09:05Selton Mello and I were in a swamp up to our chest.
09:08And it was terrifying.
09:09It was real.
09:10And they were trying to put us at ease.
09:11And they said, we had guys come out and they cleared out the swamp yesterday.
09:16Like you can clear out a swamp.
09:18And they said, you know there's things swimming around.
09:21And even some of the crew said, I can't believe you're going in there.
09:24Which is not.
09:25I'm going to jump in here.
09:26There was someone on the crew who had a creepy crawly stuck to their leg.
09:30And you saved them.
09:31I didn't.
09:32It was a beetle.
09:33And you knew what to do.
09:34You were like.
09:35It was a beetle with a horn on it.
09:48It was a beetle that had a horn on it.
09:50Yes.
09:51Only found in the Australian hat back.
09:53But then this is weird.
09:54What's your nuts off if you're not careful?
09:57No.
09:58It was a nut biting beetle.
10:00Because Michelle, before you got into comedy, we'll talk about this later, you were a model.
10:06And didn't you have a beetle thing?
10:08Yeah.
10:09Yeah.
10:10Because they would just get you to do like random things in modeling where they were just sort
10:13of like, you're lucky to be here.
10:15We're going to do this shoot now.
10:16And this is editorial.
10:17It's high fashion.
10:18So we're going to put these beetles on your face.
10:21Stay very still.
10:22And look gorgeous.
10:23Try and look nice.
10:26But if you've got a beetle on your face, you're like.
10:29You're like smart.
10:31You're like.
10:32Yeah.
10:33There's a lot of stuff like that.
10:34And then I did another shoot where they wanted me to sit on like a bit of wood.
10:40And as I sat down on it, it was in Texas.
10:42And I was like, oh, there's all these ants calling on me.
10:44But obviously from England, I didn't realize there's ants that bite.
10:47Do you know what I mean?
10:48Yeah.
10:49Yeah.
10:50What's the worst that can happen to you in this country?
10:51A pigeon shits on you or something.
10:52I was like, they're burning.
10:53They're burning.
10:54They're like, oh, it's a fire ants nest.
10:55And I was like, I should probably get up.
10:56And they were like, it's the last shot.
10:57If you could just stay there.
10:58And look gorgeous.
10:59And you're like, yeah.
11:00Fun times.
11:01Fun times.
11:02I don't know why you gave it up.
11:03Jessie Buckley, you grew up in the Irish countryside.
11:04So are you good with animals?
11:05Um, I feel like out of respect, they, you know, I should leave them alone.
11:20OK.
11:21Not because I would do anything to them, but they might do something to me because they're
11:26animals.
11:27That is true.
11:28Well observed.
11:29But have you ever, have you had a bad experience or something?
11:33Well, actually, my mom grew up on a bull farm.
11:36What?
11:37Yeah.
11:38And she had like, they were.
11:39Can I just say, that seems problematic.
11:42Why?
11:43Well, you need more than bulls on your bulls.
11:47But there were no pedigree bulls.
11:48I don't know.
11:49It's like a gay cow bar or something.
11:51You love this.
11:53Only bulls, I don't understand.
11:56Are they just bred bulls?
12:02Yeah, they were like prize bulls.
12:05So they'd bring them to shows and kind of wash them and brush their hair and show them
12:11around.
12:12He's a gay cow bar.
12:13Yeah.
12:14Um, but I remember once, um, my grandfather brought me out into the fields and put me
12:21on his tractor and, um, I'd never really been around a load of bulls.
12:26Like a mass.
12:27Good.
12:28Good.
12:29Um, and he went to open the gate and close it and there was a load of hay on the back
12:34tractor.
12:35And he, all of a sudden, this like, it felt like a hundred bulls were running towards
12:42me.
12:43And since that moment, I just think, you know, out of respect, I don't need to wrangle
12:49anything.
12:50Leave them alone.
12:51Really.
12:52I leave them alone.
12:53Wise.
12:54Wise.
12:55And what is the connection to Ireland?
12:56That you love Ireland so much?
12:57I just think it's the greatest place.
12:58I just love Ireland.
13:00I first went there on my own.
13:02I loved Irish music and I was just very drawn to Ireland.
13:05Okay.
13:06And my father spent a lot of time in Ireland because he was a Titanic expert and he used
13:09to take groups of people throughout Ireland to Belfast to Harlan Wolfe where the ship was
13:14built and he'd go down to Cove, which was the last port of call.
13:17Yeah.
13:18Yeah.
13:19So, we spent a lot of time in Ireland.
13:20Yeah.
13:21Was that his job?
13:22Yeah.
13:23Yeah.
13:24Wow.
13:25That's very niche.
13:26It is.
13:27It really is.
13:28He used to work with the airlines and was a big history buff.
13:33He loved history.
13:35But he was a real Titanic enthusiast and that was, he started kind of giving these Titanic
13:41historical tours to other people who were as interested in Titanic as he was.
13:46And, uh, late in his life that was what he did.
13:49Yeah.
13:50And is Rod an Irish name?
13:52I think there's other Rod sausages.
13:54Is that really good man Jessie Buckley?
13:55I never had a Rod sausage.
13:56No.
13:57I'll bet you have.
13:58LAUGHTER
14:05I can ask, was your granddad, was he Irish?
14:08They were English.
14:09Everyone was British.
14:10That's a burn.
14:11I'm the expert.
14:12How are you?
14:13Do you live in America then?
14:16Yeah, I was born in America but both my parents are from London.
14:19And so, uh, I grew up in America but, uh, we actually spread my dad's ashes in Ireland as well.
14:25Wow.
14:26Which is an interesting thing to try and get your dad's ashes through TSA.
14:30LAUGHTER
14:31Did you say what it was?
14:32Or did you pretend it was something else?
14:33I did.
14:34No, I did.
14:35We put...
14:36It's like a duffel bag.
14:37LAUGHTER
14:38They were on the belt going to fly on the airline.
14:40I thought, oh, I probably should have seen this.
14:42And they wanted to examine it and check it out.
14:45They said, what's in the bag?
14:46I said, it's my dad.
14:47LAUGHTER
14:48In Ireland they would have loved that.
14:50Oh, yeah.
14:51You know you're on the right flight home if you're going home for a funeral, so...
14:54Yeah.
14:55You would have been welcome.
14:56That's why it's the best.
14:57That's why it's the best.
14:58And now, there's a tradition, I feel, Jack, every time you do a movie, somehow it inspires
15:04you musically.
15:05Yeah.
15:06Have you come up with an anaconda song?
15:08I have, actually.
15:09Do you want to hear it?
15:10No.
15:11LAUGHTER
15:12Quiet on the set.
15:22LAUGHTER
15:23Anaconda, the most beautiful creature in the wild.
15:29Anaconda, you're the most popular with boys and girls.
15:35You bite and you swallow and you take it down.
15:38You are the scariest snake in town.
15:41Big as a bus and a hearty, too.
15:44I made up this song just now.
15:47LAUGHTER
15:48Beautiful.
15:49APPLAUSE
15:50I lied.
15:51I lied.
15:52I didn't have a song.
15:53Give me the extras.
15:55Give me the extras.
15:56Did you know that I was making it up as we went along?
15:59Because I lied.
16:00I did not have a song.
16:01Oh.
16:02Oh, it's very good.
16:03Anaconda, the scariest snake in the line.
16:09I think it's a hit, though.
16:10Yeah.
16:11It's pretty good.
16:12That's how all songs are written.
16:14At first, you don't have a song.
16:16And then, did you see the Beatles documentary?
16:18LAUGHTER
16:19When you watch Paul McCartney,
16:21Sir Paul, come up with Get Back,
16:23right in front of your eyes.
16:24That's what you just saw.
16:26LAUGHTER
16:27Beautiful work.
16:28Beautiful work.
16:29A reminder, you can see Anaconda in cinemas
16:31from Boxing Day.
16:33APPLAUSE
16:35Meanwhile, Jessie Buckley,
16:39Jessie Buckley gives an extraordinary performance
16:41in Hamnet.
16:42It is in cinemas from the 9th of January.
16:45And Hamnet is this incredibly beloved novel
16:48by Maggie O'Farrell.
16:49When they approached you, were you familiar with the book?
16:52Or...?
16:53No, no.
16:54I met Chloe Zhao first and then they sent me the book.
16:56Yeah.
16:57And for people who haven't read the book,
16:59and lots of people have, tell us about Hamnet
17:02and kind of its relation to Shakespeare and sort of, you know,
17:05why it's so special.
17:06I guess it's a peek behind the curtain of who the family man,
17:09Shakespeare, William Shakespeare, might have been.
17:12And, um...
17:14And where Hamlet might have kind of been born from, which was...
17:19Shakespeare actually did have a son called Hamnet,
17:21who died of the plague.
17:22I had no idea about that.
17:24I thought it was about a Danish prince.
17:26Yeah.
17:27Um...
17:28And it's about love and loss and motherhood and, uh, art
17:35and the need of kind of storytelling to hold the parts of us
17:38that we can't hold by ourselves.
17:40Um...
17:41That's it, really.
17:42And it is...
17:43It's such a beautiful film and you are God you're good in it.
17:45And, uh, Paul Meskel, we should say, plays William Shakespeare.
17:48And the Hamlet-Hamlet thing, those names, am I right,
17:53they were interchangeable at the time?
17:54Yeah, yeah.
17:55And the same, and you were Anne Hathaway but you're Agnes?
17:58Well, she was kind of written out of history as, you know...
18:02I think her father called her Agnes but she was known as Anne Hathaway
18:07and as the woman that kind of pulled Shakespeare back,
18:11which is, you know, not the truth.
18:14Well, we've got a clip.
18:15This is you as Agnes with Paul, as, uh, William Shakespeare
18:19and, uh, the children, because you have three children,
18:22they've prepared you a surprise.
18:24Hey!
18:25Thank you, Paul.
18:26Thank you, Paul.
18:31And watching the film, like, beautiful, sweet scenes like that
18:34have this kind of added poignancy because, as a viewer,
18:37you know that something really tragic is on the way.
18:42Yeah, I actually had no idea they were going to shoot that scene.
18:45They were so giddy all day because they've been rehearsing it
18:48for, like, the week and, uh, except...
18:52Bodhi, who plays Susannah, my daughter in the blue,
18:56really didn't want to do it.
18:59I feel like she's, like, my emo teenager in that,
19:02where I'm kind of proud that she's like,
19:04oh, my God, I can't believe I've to do this, please.
19:10But it was such a gorgeous shoot and those kids are incredible
19:14and Paul is promising.
19:17LAUGHTER
19:21And we should say, though, if you go to see this film,
19:23be prepared.
19:24It will put you through the emotional ringer.
19:27There's a long section at the end where you're...
19:30Agnes Anne Hathaway is watching Hamlet, this play that William...
19:34And there's a moment right at the end that I...
19:37Is it you and Chloe, the director, you came up with together?
19:41Do you know what I'm talking about?
19:42The hands?
19:43Yeah.
19:44Um, yeah, I mean, the end, we didn't know what to do.
19:48It was quite scary because it was, like, the whole end
19:51of shooting the whole film and we'd had this amazing journey
19:54and we were like, God, we've got to, like, land the plane now.
19:57How do you, like, land the plane after this and go to the globe,
20:00which is epic in just its name?
20:03Yeah.
20:04Um, and there was a moment at the...
20:07I mean, there was these incredible extras, 400 extras,
20:10and then there was a moment where I was standing
20:12in the middle of a recreated globe
20:15and there was all these incredible faces around me
20:18and I sent Chloe Max Richter's On The Nature Of Daylight
20:24and from that piece of music, um, this ending came
20:29where they all reached, 400 people behind me reached their hands
20:34to try and touch the play and, I guess, touch the things
20:39that they've lost in their own life.
20:40Yeah.
20:41In some way.
20:42That's a really beautiful moment.
20:43And this wonderful thing's happened to you.
20:45You're now a mum.
20:46You became a mum after the film.
20:48Congratulations.
20:49Very good.
20:50Congratulations.
20:55Does that kind of...
20:56When you watch the film now, as a mum,
20:59does it kind of make it even more kind of emotionally upsetting
21:02for you or is it kind of the same?
21:05No, it's pretty the same.
21:06No, I'm joking.
21:08I watched it first when I was eight months pregnant
21:11and I was not OK.
21:14There's nothing...
21:15It's, you know, embarrassing to cry at your own film.
21:18But I was pregnant, so I'm kidding.
21:21But it felt...
21:22It was, you know, it's about a lot...
21:24It's got a lot of birth and death and motherhood and children
21:28and I wanted to be a mum for a long time
21:31and I got pregnant, like, a week after I wrapped this film.
21:36So it was pretty...
21:38Yeah, it was beautiful.
21:39Well, it's lovely that those things are all kind of entwined now.
21:42Yeah.
21:43Talking of Hamlet and Shakespeare, Paul Rudd,
21:45you've played Hamlet, haven't you?
21:47I did in a scene.
21:48Oh, OK.
21:49Yeah.
21:50Yeah, I did a production.
21:51I bet you were really good in it.
21:52Yeah.
21:53I cried when I did it too.
21:56I did a...
21:57I did a...
21:58I did do a...
21:59a production of it, but...
22:00But it was very posh, wasn't it?
22:01It was pretty posh...
22:02Yeah, yeah, well, it was...
22:04It wasn't that posh.
22:06Well, wasn't it directed by somebody very famous?
22:08Oh, God.
22:10Are you talking about Sir Ben Kingsley?
22:13That's exactly what I'm talking about.
22:15Yes.
22:16Yeah.
22:17This is going to be another one that...
22:20I did a...
22:21I was going to school and I did a production of Hamlet.
22:24I was working on a scene, Ben King...
22:25Sir Ben Kingsley came to do a...
22:26Don't forget the sir.
22:27Nope.
22:28Sir Ben Kingsley came to do a...
22:29Like a master class.
22:31And he directed it.
22:34We worked on it.
22:35Uh...
22:36It was just for an afternoon, really.
22:37And, um...
22:38And when I was starting my career...
22:40Uh...
22:41I had a manager...
22:43Bit of a Broadway Danny Rose type manager...
22:46Uh...
22:47Who said, we need to create a CV for you.
22:49And he...
22:50And I had no credits.
22:51And he said, well, what did you do in school?
22:53And I was like, oh, I did a thing with Hamlet.
22:55Uh...
22:56Sir Ben Kingsley came in and directed it.
22:59And so he put down...
23:01I played Hamlet in a production directed by Sir Ben Kingsley.
23:06Looks good on a resume.
23:08He sounds...
23:09He sounds brilliant.
23:10And I was, uh...
23:12I felt very funny about it.
23:14Um...
23:15But those...
23:16That seemed to kind of hang around.
23:18And my biggest fear in life was that Sir...
23:21Well, maybe not my biggest fear in life.
23:23But my big fear was that he...
23:25He might somehow see my CV.
23:28What?
23:29Ooh!
23:30Never went away.
23:32Until now.
23:33Yeah.
23:34He watches every week.
23:36Yeah.
23:37And...
23:38Now, I wouldn't have thought Jack Black had never done Shakespeare.
23:40But you have done Shakespeare.
23:41Yes.
23:42I was a theatre major at UCLA Theatre Department.
23:46And we did a production of, uh...
23:48Uh...
23:49Uh...
23:50Much Ado About Nothing.
23:51That's the one.
23:52And I played a character.
23:53I can't remember what it was called.
23:55But I remember, uh...
23:56That I was very, very good in the play.
23:59I can't remember any of my lines.
24:00I like...
24:01I like when you refer to your own character as It.
24:04It's a very fogging memory.
24:06But I remember the director...
24:07I can't remember his name either.
24:09He was like...
24:10Was it Sir Ben Kingsley?
24:11It might have been.
24:12It might have been.
24:13It was Sir John Geelgood, actually.
24:15And he said, Jack, when you do this part, just look straight ahead and don't move a muscle.
24:22Let all the emotions come through your eyes.
24:25And say the part plainly.
24:27And if you do this, Jack, and hold on to these lessons throughout your life,
24:32it will serve you well in a career that spans far and wide.
24:37And I obviously did not take that to heart.
24:40I spent my career overacting and not staying still and speaking the lines plainly.
24:46But it was a great experience.
24:49I'm sure it was, yes.
24:51Very good.
24:53Beautiful.
24:54Yeah.
24:55Because, Michelle...
24:56Michelle, you do acting now.
24:58You do anything.
24:59Would you do Shakespeare?
25:00Have you done Shakespeare?
25:01Nah.
25:02I'm so...
25:03Nah.
25:04And this is what...
25:05I feel like I don't have the range for that kindness.
25:08You've got one accent with me and it's this.
25:10You know what I mean?
25:12Even this, when you're talking about Hamlet and Anne Hathaway, I was like...
25:15That's an actor.
25:17I kept on thinking that too.
25:18Thank you!
25:19People are kind of pissed off that I was playing it and not Anne Hathaway.
25:24Is Anne Hathaway named...
25:26Do I sound sick?
25:27Wait.
25:28No.
25:29She must have been named after the...
25:30Well, obviously.
25:31After the Hollywood actress.
25:32Yes.
25:33Right!
25:34Yeah!
25:35Yeah, no, none of that for me.
25:37No period dramas here.
25:38I think it'd...
25:39There'd definitely be some questions are coming up like...
25:42No, you could crush some Shakespeare.
25:43Do you reckon?
25:44Yeah.
25:45You and I may...
25:46Maybe this is our next movie.
25:47Yes.
25:48What would have...
25:49Romeo and Juliet?
25:50Juliet!
25:51Am I too old to play Romeo?
25:52No.
25:53No.
25:54I think we would be...
25:55Perfect!
25:56I feel so awkward in the middle of this.
25:57I have since the beginning.
25:58I asked if they wanted to swap.
25:59They said no.
26:00I'm bringing you back to Hamnet, I bring you back to Hamnet because I've got to say, congratulations,
26:12you've got amazing reviews and Golden Globe nominated, next month.
26:16Woo!
26:18Yeah.
26:19Yeah.
26:20So, listen, good luck with that and all the other awards that I'm sure are in your future.
26:28Hamnet is in cinemas from the 9th of January everybody very good
26:38Being an actor on stage is you know difficult and all those things
26:42But at Michelle de Swart you've tackled possibly the toughest stage of all the catwalk
26:48No, no, no
26:51You walked for like really big designers and labels. I tell us some of the people you yeah
26:57Not well, I'll say that but yes, I did it. I did it and walk for
27:03Missoni Gucci
27:06Versace
27:07D&G or don't think about it. Yeah, she's the real deal. Yeah. Yeah, yeah
27:11Yeah, and then gravity came along and I've pivoted and now I'm doing stand-up
27:20You say gravity
27:22Gucci 2002 you're walking and this is quite a famous thing before we get into it
27:29Which is a you're fine about this isn't triggering or anything not well 2002 can you imagine if I still triggered now?
27:35I can't even say it, mention it!
27:38How dare you? It feels like yesterday. Yeah, no I'm fine
27:41So should we bought the clip should we talk about it before we see the clip or see the clip?
27:46You know what? It's worth chatting about it first
27:48Okay, no, maybe set it up. No, go on go on should we just see it? No, talk about it. Okay, so
27:58I'll say this I got I was pulling points in a pub. All right, I've got scouted
28:04They sent me to Milan. Everyone was like she's the new model of the moment
28:08We're all gonna book her, but no one had asked me if I could walk in hills
28:14Now you've been knighted with the word model then you're that
28:18I had a walk like a bookie you just like got a winning or something
28:26It's what I will say and
28:28And so I go to Milan I book all of these shows and everyone's like yeah, you're a model now
28:32I'm like yeah proper
28:36At the time Tom Ford was
28:39Designing for Gucci and yeah proper Jack. Yeah
28:43And I'm standing backstage and I'm in these hills and I was like this I'm gonna fuck this
28:50There's no way I can walk in these and it was on this shag pile carpet and Tom Ford was there and I was like he went
28:56How you doing? I went I'm not good
28:59And not good anyway, don't worry you're just gonna stand there and everyone's gonna die and I was like okay
29:04And then you go out onto the runway now most runways are like
29:07Really short but because it's Gucci it's like the longest runway ever and I start I start walking and I just thought imagine if you fell
29:15And with that stacked it shall we watch it now let's watch it let's watch it
29:23Here's the shag pile carpet the beautiful uh here we go is uh here comes here comes Michelle de Swartz uh-oh
29:31No, she's okay. She's okay. She's okay. She's okay
29:35No, come on you can do this
29:37Wait wait wait wait oh
29:40Oh oh oh and then shoes off
29:42Your shoes off oh you're a woman
29:44Oh yeah
29:47I love this I love this
29:50Oh still working it still working it
29:53Yes
29:54You are beautiful
29:55Thank you
29:57Also it says so much about the fashion world you stack it and one man just kind of went
30:05No one tried to help you
30:06No no but where this thing is I've been doing stand-up for over a decade now hands down the funniest thing I've ever done
30:13That is rude like if that is that that's me at my comedy best
30:19So listen the comedy's going great you're on your first major tour it's called The Afters
30:24You've already done a bunch of it and it kicks off again in is it March March okay the afters
30:30Why is it called The Afters by the way well as mentioned I was a model used to live in New York
30:34So I'm an ex-party girl and uh I think much like an afters it is me chatting at ya for an hour and uh
30:40And uh hopefully funny and entertaining oh my god and hopefully your sister well because she doesn't sound like a great audience member your sister
30:48Oh my yeah all right so but thank god now I do bigger rooms but when I first started
30:54Like upstairs in pubs and stuff like that very glamorous um I was doing one gig my sister came to support me
31:01And um every time back then I used to do a lot of stories about my mum and stuff and every time
31:05I'd just be getting to the punchline I'd be like you know like my mum and my sister would shout out the
31:10punchline and just like I was just like what are you doing because she knew the story you know what I mean
31:15She was like oh yeah yeah yeah like that and I was just like this is pure sabotage
31:20And then she would get a massive laugh and then they would look at me and I was like no that's it
31:24I don't
31:26I love when you sing after this
31:30Yeah fun times
31:31And you talk about your mum your mum got you uh into jobs now did she get you she got you a cleaning job yes
31:37Yes
31:39She that was her job already
31:41Yes
31:42Merry Christmas mum um so
31:44Yeah one of my I've done a lot of I've done a lot of different jobs before I started modelling
31:48But uh my first job was a cleaner in an office building and uh my mum was like right
31:53I'm gonna do this day you do the other days right and um my mum uh she's a changed woman now
31:59But my mum really got a kick out of nicking and uh
32:03And we were in this corporate in this like corporate office building and my mum would send me in
32:08I think I was pretty young like 13 14 at the time this is my first job and she'd be like right
32:13All right so when you do the second floor if you go into the kitchen they've got a really good dinner set
32:18Now i've got the cups
32:20And you've got to get the plates okay that is your job you've got to nick the plates
32:24And I was just like I was such a you know like a anxious kid I'd like be freaking out
32:29It was like I was doing a heist in the loop
32:31You know what I mean I've got to nick these plates to my mum so we can have the full set
32:36Which is weird because she doesn't cook so it's sort of like what are they here for yeah
32:40Did you just have them on display?
32:42Well no no I don't know you know but we did get the full set so
32:46Well done yes
32:48That's very proud
32:51And talking of early uh jobs legs
32:54Jack you got into acting really early I did I was a child actor it's true
32:59Yeah I'm a little defensive I know
33:02Yeah no we're child actors get a bad rap
33:05But uh I survived and I'm fine
33:09Nothing wrong with me
33:10Was your first job the commercial for pitfall
33:13Yes that was my first booking uh and but I want to clarify I didn't have the kind of parents that were like
33:19Get out there and make money for us you kid
33:22Go make and bring back home the bacon for us we want to go put it on the slots
33:29I drove that car I was a real ham I loved putting on a show from a very early age
33:38And I wanted to go on auditions I wanted to get out there and be I wanted to be on tv
33:43So that the kids at school could see me
33:45And uh and my stepfather david katz actually drove me around town to go on the auditions
33:51And I went I remember that audition like it was yesterday I went in there
33:54And I and I did the lines and they said uh could you do it again jack and this time do it really
33:59Cock sure really overconfident and I was like
34:02I think I can do that and in my mind I was like they fell into my trap
34:07My like main move is overconfident guy
34:10So I did it again and I just poured on all the sauce
34:14Just last night I was lost in the jungle with pitfall harry surrounded by giant scorpions and cobra
34:19Rattlers and man-eating crocodiles I still remember all the lines we've got the commercial
34:25We've got the commercial show it we've got the commercial and you do remember your lines I do
34:29And and you know often when you watch these things you kind of think oh that you know
34:34The person is unrecognizable this is just jack black young I mean it's just it's just it's it's extraordinary
34:41uh by the way do check out the state-of-the-art computer graphics in pitfall the game here we go
34:48Just last night I was lost in the jungle with pitfall harry surrounded by giant scorpions and man-eating crocodiles
34:55If you haven't met pitfall harry you're missing the year's most incredible video game adventure pitfall for the atari 2600 and in television pitfall designed by david crane for activision
35:05Yeah
35:15It was also the best game yeah pitfall was the best game you know what I realized while we were watching that just now is that I've been doing jungle themed
35:24Since I was a child I know there's something weird about me and the jungle because we got this movie also jumanji don't forget jungle themed
35:31And that's all I can oh king kong I was in king kong jungle themed yeah what's going on here at tropic thunder tropic thunder
35:41Have you been to the jungle?
35:47No I went on a safari once you did that's the jungle it was and it was one of the most terrifying
35:53I've ever done yes, it doesn't sound like you'd like that jesse
35:56Well, I actually typed in solo traveler adventures into the internet and found myself on the salue reserve
36:03Amongst the maasai tribe when I was about 22
36:07And I said in africa the saloon is that yeah, yeah in tanzania
36:12And I remember I got into my tent in the first night. I did not sleep for a week every sound I was like
36:18And they give you like a pre-chat to be like do not open your tent there is hippos right there
36:25They will eat you if the mama has just had her baby. She's really hungry, and you're like okay
36:32And the only thing I could find I like me I got really drunk the second night because I was like
36:37I just gonna have to like basically pass out to get to sleep
36:40But the only thing that I could find solace in was they had like a crate and there was like the tiniest lock on this crate
36:48That I found to lock the bottom of the tent
36:53Like that was gonna like solve the hippo will go i'd like to but
37:02Listen lovely talking to you all and don't forget michelle de sward is on tour from next march go see her
37:11Okay
37:13Music this brit award-winning singer-songwriter has given us a string of hits including another love and black friday
37:19Here performing his current single when I close my eyes. It is tom o'dell
37:24And the conductor beautiful tom come on over tom do
37:28Here he comes
37:33That was epic thank you so so much
37:36That's michelle jesse jack
37:38Hello
37:39Hello
37:40That is tom o'dell
37:41Right
37:42Right
37:42Right
37:43Oh they love it
37:45Nice sailor and there you go sit down too that was gorgeous and that orchestra sounded amazing amazing the polyphony orchestra everybody
37:52Polyphony orchestra
37:56Like as a musician that must feel great having that sound behind you yes i rest very peacefully last night uh knowing that they were going to be here
38:08Um but yeah they're incredible some of the great greatest musicians in london over there so it's a real privilege to play with them thank you so much
38:15Well thank you for being here and i
38:20I don't want to give paul robert a complex or anything but it's another jack black fan on the couch
38:24What
38:25Yeah
38:25Yeah
38:26Yeah
38:26It's awesome
38:27It's not a complex
38:28Oh my god
38:28I get it yeah
38:29My cup runneth over with bombs
38:33It's a bomb club
38:35So tell me what is it about me that you like so much
38:41I was i was 12 years old when school of rock came out oh nice and playing the piano was
38:48Not the coolest of choices and that scene when you're playing the doors yes dude you were the age of those kids yeah movie yeah
38:57It was like i was the perfect it was the perfect time for me to watch that film oh man let's let's rock today
39:03yeah
39:10That is one of the extra tracks on the new deluxe version of a wonderful life and wonderful epilogue
39:17yes and is this deluxe one out now too that came out yeah a few months ago okay brilliant and
39:22uh that song here's the thing recording that track in particular apparently was kind of challenging
39:28yeah i i've actually like tried to put this song on my last three albums and it's a very emotional song
39:36and um it's kind of about grief and losing someone um but every time i came to record it
39:42i would sing the verse is fine and then as soon as i get to the chorus i would sing it in an australian accent
39:50so it'd be the kid next door keeps
39:53asking me where you've gone and i tell him
39:56i tell him you've gone home
39:58when i close my
40:00and i was okay with that i played it to my wife and she said you you cannot put this song out
40:09it sounds like a joke song but i think it's that thing where it was so emotional i didn't even
40:14want to like confront it so i was subconsciously trying to avoid and sort of making voices i don't
40:21know funny voices and listen real thanks for being here because you say you just literally just
40:26finished an arena tour yeah like a week ago yeah yeah where was that you just finished in uh i
40:30finished in uh oh god i can't remember antwerp good night antwerp yeah and uh you are off to
40:39australia you've got the accent already australia yeah yeah we're going we're doing some shows over
40:44there in january you should sing the australian version of that song while you're there check out
40:50some of the swamps they're beautiful this time of year yeah um listen good luck with the tour
40:57thank you very much thank you for that performance tom o'dell everyone
41:05that is really it before we go just time for a christmas visit to the big red chair
41:11hello hello hi what's your name i'm lynn from chippenham and wiltshire excellent the hopes of a
41:16nation are resting on you and you're a christmas jumper uh what do you do in chippenham i'm a part-time
41:23travel money advisor a part-time travel money advisor it sounds like it'll be full-time but no no no
41:32oh he has a part-time i'd like to ask her about my travel money but i can't she's not on today
41:38call her on tuesdays that's her best day yeah she's rested okay off we go with your story okay
41:46uh so i was weirdo quite early and i spent a few years just bringing up my children yes and
41:50eventually i thought well i need to get back out there yeah and i met a young man and after a
41:55little bit of time i decided it was time to allow him to stay over so i uh said to him well give me
42:0110 minutes i'm going upstairs and just follow me up in 10 minutes so i dressed uh seductively in
42:08underwear that you keep just for the bedroom complete with high heels oh my god yeah
42:13yes and i sort of sprawled seductively on the bed and just waited and i had my eyes closed in
42:21anticipation of what was to come and i heard the door open kept my eyes closed because i wanted to
42:27build the moment and all of a sudden my teenage son says can you call me at six in the morning i've
42:32got an early shift that's a very good story it's quite sweet you can walk you can walk go on
42:41okay that really is all we've got time for if you'd like to have a go in the red chair yourself and
42:45tell your story you can contact us via our website and this please say thank you to all of my guests
42:50tonight tom o'dell michelda swartz jesse berkeley jess black and paul rudd
43:07we'll see you again on new year's eve with music guest alison limerick the young star of adolescence
43:12owen cooper funnyman tim key and will arnett great british actress carrie mulligan and tom hiddleston
43:18and oscar winner laura dern until then have a very happy christmas bye-bye
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