Re: [VOTE] 64 bit platform improvements for string length and integer

From: Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 20:44:36 +0000
Subject: Re: [VOTE] 64 bit platform improvements for string length and integer
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On 01/31/2014 12:26 PM, Anatol Belski wrote:
Hi Chris, On Fri, January 31, 2014 01:38, Christopher Jones wrote:
On 01/27/2014 12:15 PM, Anatol Belski wrote:
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/size_t_and_int64 There was two big questions regarding the compatibility. Those open questions appeared in the discussions are reflected in the reworked RFC. First question, the possibility to keep the old zend_parse_parameters() specs 'l', 'L', 's', 'p' along with new 'i', 'I', 'S', 'P'. Keeping the old zpp specs will for sure minimize the porting effort for the PECL extensions, but might lead to confusion (like people might think ‘l’ still expects ‘long’ and not ‘php_int_t’). Please use the yes/no Vote 3 to decide whether the ‘l’, ‘L’, ‘s’, ‘p’ have to stay supported. Second question, the macro renames for LONG<>INT, STRLEN<>STRSIZE, etc. The reason for such renamings was to ensure source level incompatibility on compile time. However this might have a negative effect on the porting effort (despite the porting tools). Please use the yes/no Vote 2 to decide whether the old macro names have to be kept. The Vote 1 is the main vote for this patch. The both Votes 2 and 3 are merely to decide about the semantical replacements choosen for the patch. Should the Votes 2 and 3 result in reverting of that semantical changes, the essential patch part about the 64 bit support will not be hurt. Reverting to old macro names or zpp specs is only the naming issue. Removal of the dead SAPIs is isolated in a separate RFC and can be considered to another time. Thanks for the constructive discussions on this RFC, support and testing. The vote begins Monday, 27 January 2014, 21:30 CET and ends Monday, 03 February 2014, 21:30 CET.
Hi Anatol, A quick question: am I right to assume that because this vote has widespread impact on PHP it needs 2/3 majority per https://wiki.php.net/rfc/voting ? It's not totally clear that the change is covered by any of the examples in the voting RFC, but I see the 64 bit project as affecting the language as a whole (for better or worse!)
catching up on this now as this was delayed by the mail issues. I'm not a native speaker, however what i read here [QUOTE] We also need to ensure, as much as possible, that the decision isn't based on some arbitrary circumstances (such as a temporary marginal majority for a certain school of thought). For these reasons, a feature affecting the language itself (new syntax for example) will be considered as 'accepted' if it wins a 2/3 of the votes. Other RFCs require 50% + 1 votes to get 'accepted'. [/QUOTE] sounds for 50%+1, as it affects not the language itself (no syntax changes, etc.) but its implementation. Even in such an unusual case :) Regards Anatol
The voting RFC's use of "for example" indicates that syntax changes are just one part of "feature[s] affecting the language". I agree that the 64-bit RFC doesn't affect syntax. However it does materially affect the language, so I believe it requires a 2/3 majority. Chris PS It's a pain to be micro-analyzing like this, but that's what the PHP community got when it decided to formalize the feature adoption process. -- [email protected] http://twitter.com/ghrd Free PHP & Oracle book: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/topics/php/underground-php-oracle-manual-098250.html

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