> From: Ferenc Kovacs [mailto:[email protected]]
>
> On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Stephen Zarkos <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ferenc Kovacs [mailto:[email protected]]
> > >
> > > On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Lester Caine <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I see that the vote currently has swung from yes to no for including
> > > > in
> > > > 5.6 but actually there is no option to include it even in PHP6? The
> > > > improvement is required, needs proper planning because of the impact
> > > > on many third parties, and should be planned now on the basis of a new
> > > > PHP6.
> > >
> > >
> > > Nobody said that if rejected this can't be considered for PHP6.
> > > On the contrary, many of the no voters explained that they would have
> > > voted yes if the target version would have been 6.0.
>> This is not directed at you guys in particular, but this is just the latest thread to
> > mention PHP6 so I'll say it here. I know at least my team is frustrated every
> > time "why not PHP6?" is mentioned in this thread.
> >
> > There is no PHP 6. If there was this RFC would have had two simple options;
> > merge for PHP 6.0, merge for both 5.6 & > 6.0. The justification for the latter
> > option being that 5.6+ would provide a more reasonable upgrade path for 6.
> > It may not be meant this way, but suggesting we merge this into PHP6 simply
> > sounds disrespectful. There's no point in targeting some ethereal release,
> > that's just a way of kicking this down the road so it can be ignored for a little
> > longer. Without a plan forward to a release, even merging to Master is just
> > another place for this to languish.
> >
> > And yes, I know there has been some (hopefully) serious discussion on
> > PHP6 recently, but that happens every year. Maybe it will happen this
> > time? IMHO, if PHP 5 has slipped happily into middle age and cannot fathom
> > such change anymore, then perhaps this community should create a roadmap
> > to a new branch where more progressive development can be realized.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Steve
>
> I'm glad that you agree with me on the urgent need of a major release on the
> roadmap, otherwise changes which would be best to ship in a major version
> will be either discarded, or worse forced into a minor version:http://marc.info/
> ?l=php-internals&m=138494774314060&w=4
> Still, it feels a bit disrespectful to reply to my mails as if I would be the one who
> tries to sabotage this change through putting it into "some ethereal release".
It wasn't directed to you specifically. That's why I said above that it wasn't
directed to you. This was just the latest mention of the "why not php6" argument on this
so it was the best place to respond. Apologies if it came off wrong.
> ps: I still don't think that it is a good thing to start to turning this into a "now
> or
> never" kind of decision.
The point was that it must be targeted to a real release. Without a release to aim for I cannot
imagine how to justify such a big effort (or continuing effort). But I also don't think anyone
really thinks that it's now or never. Perhaps it seems that way since (like any release cycle)
everyone's excited and eager to get their feature in.
Thanks,
Steve